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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Steven Royston O'Neill, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    Should Terry and Capello step down?

    Terry we know has been stripped of the England captaincy but until he faces a court is innocent so is it right to remove him?

    If the reason to remove him is down to being a distraction to football then should he step aside or indded be removed from the squad?



    Capello is manager so should he have been consulted and indeed why cant he give an opinion?

    If he has been ignored or be forced to selecting a captain he does not want should he step aside or be removed?
     
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  2. CyprusMackem

    CyprusMackem Active Member

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    It was very wrong of the FA to take away the Captains armband from Terry. Innocent till proven guilty and all that.
    Terry however should of resigned as captain weeks ago. We've all seen the video, we all know what he said. He's a very arrogant man if he thought he still be a good Captain of our national team.

    Capello is a dead man walking...Sooner he's gone the better.
     
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  3. Bizarreknives

    Bizarreknives Well-Known Member
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    Get Capello out ASAP, let Harry do the job in the summer, then see if he wants it full time.
    It's obvious Capello is wanting out, he just doesn't want to resign.
     
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  4. Jerry the Jinx

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    While I dislike Terry intensely, agree on the innocent until proven guilty charge.
    I think the real question is why was such a liability given the England captaincy for a second time?
    He'd already proved what a complete waste of space he is when stripped of it the first time - to give it back was just ludicrous and has put Capello & the FA in the awkward position they're in now.
    Also - why the half measure? - if he's not fit to be captain because of his alleged actions surely he shouldn't be selected at all.
     
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  5. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    But, in the intrest of debate, whatever how thoughts on Capello, he is England manager so should he have been consulted about stripping Terry of the captaincy?
     
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  6. Dyavvy

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    "Is he a Spiv?" ...This question was supposedly asked by Alf Ramsey of one established England player about Franny Lee before he was given his opportunity at international level.
    Just shows really HOW things have changed Alf Ramsey obviously trusted the player never to say anything to the press What would he have made the diet of sensationalism were given these days...amazing
    With all these things I just apply the Bobby Moore test......Manangers or captains....who`ll be the next English player (or potentially)theyd erect a statue outside Wembley to in the future ? ...Cant see one on the horizon yet by a long way.....
     
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  7. ...And Out Come the Wolve

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    Both- nothing more to say.
     
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  8. MrRAWhite

    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion, the England captain should be a role model as well as a leader, and therefore Terry should never have been made captain simply because he is an ignorant and arrogant man...As for Capello, although I don't think he is the right man for the job, I find it absolutely unbelievable that he wasn't involved in this decision process, and it tells me that the hierarchy at the FA are still way out of touch with reality.
     
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  9. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    this one best so far for me
     
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  10. froggy1973

    froggy1973 Well-Known Member

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    If Cappello had had the balls and nouce to have stripped Terry of the armband earlier or Terry had thought "hold on a minute this is going to impact on the rest of the team I'm innocent so will step down while I fight this for the good of the team" but he hasn't and Cappello didn't so yes both should go. IF and it's a big IF Terry is proved innocent then he should be welcomed back into the team.
    As to Cappello not being consulted he should have acted sooner.
     
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  11. Nads

    Nads Well-Known Member

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    Terry shouldn't be in the England side, first and foremost because there are better, younger defenders to take us forward.

    Here's a thing, Rio Ferdinand will know for a 100% fact what was said, and so will many of the black players in the squad.

    Is this a potential conflict area? If so given the black/white ratio of our squad, there could be much bigger internal problems, in theory at least.

    Re Cappello, we should take this 'breach of contract' opportunity to peddle him without compensation right now, and put Redknapp in charge for the Euro's.

    One thing Redknapp doesn't lack is patriotism, he also just happens to be probably the best manager in the country right now, that isn't MON!
     
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  12. master-simpson

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    Terry is simply a t w a t and no longer a very good footballer so should be nowhere near the squad let alone it's captain.

    Capello should already know this, thus making him a sh7t manager, who also has not got the balls to resign because the FA have undermined him.

    Agree with what was said above - sack Capello, let Harry be caretaker manager for the Euros and see what happens after that. At least England would have a "go" under saggy chops. With Crappelo in charge, I will simply not bother watching.

    Hate f*cking England anyway - and the to$$pots at the FA, who are worse than Mags IMO.

    Bart
     
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  13. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Seems the FA want them both gone from the England set-up ASAP...
     
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  14. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    :emoticon-0112-wondeAttorney General Dominic Grieve has defended his decision not to prosecute footballer Joey Barton for a series of online comments about John Terry ahead of his trial, insisting they would not jeopardise the case.

    QPR midfielder Barton posted the remarks on Twitter on Friday after Terry, who has been accused of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, was stripped of the England captaincy.

    Mr Grieve said comments made "in bad taste" on Twitter were "neither here nor there" and would be judged only on whether they would prejudice a fair hearing.
    "As far as I could see, in this particular case, whatever Mr Barton had been doing didn't seem to me, on the facts, to amount to creating the risk we have just been talking about," he told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.
    "I think it is a matter of common sense. If people put out into the public domain by publishing or by broadcasting material that might influence or prejudice the course of a trial by putting background material out that is prejudicial and irrelevant to the trial process, then that has the capacity to create the risk
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    "Mere invective or unpleasantness doesn't necessarily meet that test, though in some circumstances it could."

    After airing his views about Terry on the micro-blogging site, Barton added: "I'll probably get a letter now from 'the powers that be'."

    He later returned to Twitter and defended his comments on the grounds of free speech.

    Terry, who was removed from his role as England captain on Friday, denies the allegations and will stand trial in July, only days after Euro 2012 finishes.

    The Attorney General is the Government's senior law officer, whose remit includes ensuring defendants facing criminal allegations receive a fair trial.
     
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  15. Steven Royston O'Neill

    Steven Royston O'Neill Well-Known Member

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    is he the one from Dick & Dom
     
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  16. Cest Advocaat

    Cest Advocaat Well-Known Member

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    The sooner we stop picking the totally failed lampards, terrys, gerards, ferdinands etc and chose some new blood the better.

    These over rated, over paid primadonnas have failed at 4 or 5 major tournaments now and they will again this summer if selected imo. It's time to move on and put them out to pasture.

    Oh, and they can take old spaghetti heed with them.
     
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  17. blackcatsteve

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    Are not all players in the PL overpaid prima donas though (or at least the ones that can make it to International lvl)

    We have failed for the past 46 years, 1 Semi final in World Cup 1990 and 1 Semi Final in Euro 96 is all we have to shout about really.

    There is definately something wrong somewhere, but then International football isnt easy.

    I really dont know the answer, but i think winning a tournament is really hard work, you only have 6-7 games to do it (so more of a sprint than a marathon), and its a cup competition, so anything can happen in the knockout stages, if Lampards goal was allowed then who knows, but we were absolute **** at the last tournament, all the way through and didnt deserve to get anywhere near the final and we didnt.

    I liked Cappello`s team for AC Milan in the 90`s Rijkaard/Beresi/Maldini/Gullit/Van Basten etc but not one England manager has been a success (by winning something) from before i was born, and you need experience/youth.

    I think the bottom line is, they just are not good enough as a team, individually up there, but as a team, it just doesnt work.
     
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  18. Letalent

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    Good test. Not saying that they necessarily measure up to Bobby Moore but Bobby Charlton and Gary Lineker were England greats, deserving of total respect IMO. Of the modern bunch, Scott Parker strikes me as a decent and honourable man (but maybe I am wrong), Ledley King seems a gentleman too, Walcott a decent sort but these are all just impressions. Scholes also was a decent and honourable servant for his club and country, wasn't he?
     
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  19. concrete tony

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    John Terry has had every opportunity to prove his innocence but decided to delay the trial. For me he isn't good enough to be in the squad but even if he was our best player he would be out of the squad for me. How can the bond as team when rio is also in the squad. England need to blood the youth in this tournament as the "senior players" in the squad have discredited England for years. I feel Cappello thinks he has something to prove. Let him have this tournament as I feel we will be writing this on off anyway. For me Terry has to go. Why would you pick him?
     
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  20. pauloc1981

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    A little common sense would prevail i think. sod all this innocent till guilty nonsense, we have all seen what he said to ferdinand and thats enough. Strip him, kick him out of his club and country and as for capello, whether he feels he should have been consultd over terrys reprimand, he should NEVER make those feelings public by giving an opposing view?!? He is more or less saying racism is ok, chelsea are saying the same thing and it cannot be tolerated.
     
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