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Real Madrid want Robin Van Persie?

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Patsbighands, Feb 9, 2012.

  1. omogooner

    omogooner Well-Known Member

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    I think he will be sold in the summer 4th place or not, his excuse will be "his ambitions are not matched by the club blah blah.... I will not lose sleep over it, because we still have him and have all to play for this season. What ever will be will be, we have IMHO, lost much better players than him and we are still here!
     
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  2. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    Not sure why 4th place will make much difference to RVP staying. If he is going to stay, he will stay irrespective of position. If he leaves, it would have been something he thought about doing some time ago.

    The real test will be when a big club comes along for him, will he say yes or no? I think deep down everyone knows what his response will be.....
     
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  3. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    4th place means CL football !!!
     
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  4. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    Yes it does but it's hardly a prize for RVP is it? He is regarded as one of the best strikers in the world, this is the least he would expect. As i said, only if he REALLY wants to stay, will he stay. Time is running out for RVP, the decision he makes at the end of this season will be huge for him. If signs, then he stays until the end of his career. But it all comes down to his desires and whether Arsenal FC fullfil them at this point of time....
     
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  5. Grizzly

    Grizzly Active Member

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    No question RVP is currently one of the worlds best strikers, but was he 12 months ago ? I'd say no.
    He's always been quality but injury prone, his stock has shot up in 2012.
    Given that he is 27 and been with us for a long time there is a bond between him and AW and between him and the club, I think that's clear to most people, I also think he has a desire for teh club to succeed and recognises the faith/trust the club have placed in him over the years.
    And even if he wanted to go next Summer he is contracted to end 2012/13 season and if Arsenal wanted to play hard ball they could make him stay for the final year, however unlikely that scenario would be...
    Players under contract only move if their clubs are willing to sell....
     
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  6. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    Laz - CL football is the showcase - do well and you are coveted by major clubs in Europe.

    Miss taking part - and you'll likely be ignored.
     
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  7. omogooner

    omogooner Well-Known Member

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    @Grizly, can you imagine the club cutting their nose to spite their face. If RVP does not commit himself, at the end of the season, he will be sold, simple as that. We are not citeh, that can afford to let their most prized asset rot and go for a fraction of his worth. I just hope, we do not start next season as we started this one...... Wenger saying no one was leaving one minute.....Well we all know what happened next!

    If he goes he goes, just hope if it is going to happen, it happens before the start of the new season, and we have enough time to get replacement(s) in. I have a feeling he knows what he wants to do...... Let's just enjoy him now, and we'll see what happens.
     
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  8. omogooner

    omogooner Well-Known Member

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    I think you are missing the point......
     
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  9. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    so what IS the point?
    I am saying RVP will go UNLESS we secure 4th place at least, probably wants meaningful investment, BUT WOULD stay if Hiddinck joined us.

    Should Real Madrid, Barca or other major contender come in to pay him £200k per week on a new 4 year deal - HE WILL GO.
     
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  10. Bond between players and Wenger? - that famous bond that saw Fabregas, Henry, and Vieira leave? Its quite sickening to hear the likes of Fabregas talking about crying as he left. It was his bloody decision. The 'bond' meant nothing.

    RVP will leave if we dont get CL football.
     
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  11. Grizzly

    Grizzly Active Member

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    I agree - I did end my statement with 'however unlikely that may be'

    Jayram - I don't agree, I think RVP shows more loyalty but we'll just have to accept that we have differing views here.
    As for the players leaving you state, Henry and Vieira left only because the club wanted to cash in and sell, don't kid yourself the player had any choice in this, the club were offered big bucks for players who were approaching the end of their careers, Arsenal had the best years of both players.
    It was Arsenal who decided at that time they would take the cash for these assets.
    As for Cesc, different scenario entirley, he gave us 7 years but was desperate to get back to his home club, I understood that like most Arsenal fans did - the club didn't want to sell and when we did we received a below market price for him but that was directly related to the circumstances.
    Cesc's desire to go home cost us financially - but I genuinely believe he had a strong affection with AW, the club and the fans, so when he says he cried the day he left for sure I believe him
     
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  12. Patsbighands

    Patsbighands Well-Known Member

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    The one positive thing for Arsenal with the R.Madrid gossip about RVP is that the fans don't want him.Not because be isn't seen as being a great player,but they think they already have enough strength in that position.They're more concerned about a RW.
    But I must say it might be hard for RVP to say "no" to an offer from one of the giants in world football,especially if Arsenal don't get CL football.
     
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  13. Topgun

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    How about RVP goes to Real for a large pile of cash and they throw in Higuain the other way to sweeten the deal, I could live with that. :)
     
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  14. lazarus20000

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    I know what you mean but i don't think that will be the sticking point for RVP. We can speculate all we want but actions speak louder than words. There is only one reason why he is waiting, that is for something better. Now that better could be with Arsenal or it could be with someone else. But the big question is, does RVP think our squad is good enough to match his ambitions? He says he loves the club but at the same time, not signing a new contract......
     
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  15. Grizzly - Vieira signed a 3 year contract the year before he left. The club wanted him, but he wanted to leave.
    We would also not have sold Henry if he wanted to stay.
    Same with Fabregas.
     
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  16. Grizzly

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    Believe me I understand your pessimism but he is on record as saying that contracts are not to be discussed during the season as they are a distraction when players should be concentrating on playing.
    I think this is absolutely correct.
    My only doubt is that being a Euro Champs year he'll pretty much go straight from Arsenal to Holland to pick up training/preparation for their Euro campaign, the window of opportunity for discussions/negotiations is limited....
     
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  17. Grizzly

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    Like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree.
    Signing a contract means very little on both sides these days, clubs are forced into it because of Bosnan....
     
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  18. Bergkamp a Dutch master

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    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    Thats true, it can be a distraction. I hope that this is the reason....
     
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  20. theHotHead

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    I love the way people use so many assumptions and come to conclusions based on nothing else but fantasy. I like to base my opinions on fact and what is actually going on.

    RVP has said he will look at his contract at the end of the season, the smart money would be on him leaving based on us going backwards and losing good players and replacing them with average players. Every other top player that has left Arsenal in recent years (Vieira, Henry, Fabregas and Nasri) have cited a desire to win trophies as their reasoning. How anyone can see RVP doing things any differently is beyond me. If there was not a strong possibility of him leaving surely he would say something to that affect to re-passure the fans .. seeing as he is club captain and all.
     
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