Bye bye Tiote!

I think he'll leave for around the £20m mark. Would be gutted to see him go, he wouldn't be easy to replace. I think the only chance of him staying is if we get into Europe

 

Be a big blow but you have to realistic. The big clubs will be cherry picking from the likes of ourselves, Sunderland, Everton. The clubs just below them have a few players of the required quality. The likes of Tiote, Sessengnon, Rodwell fit the bill. Just the way it is. Obviously what you lose in Tiote is huge. He took control of the derby single handedly. He had little support from Cabaye yet still had us on top from 40mins onwards. They had 3 in the middle so it gives you an idea of the presence he adds.

 

So? If someone comes straight in with a massive offer, then you see how far they're willing to go. And Carroll was looking a very good prospect, plus he's a striker. The fact he's English also adds to the price. Tiote is a holding midfielder whose most recent season has been less than stellar. Why on earth would someone offer £25m for him?

 

Andy Carroll had 6 months experience in the top flight yet Liverpool were still stupid enough to bid £35 million for him. A striker who 12 months earlier was struggling in the Championship.

 

I don't see your point. Everyone knows it was a ridiculous offer, but it was high because he was young, English, on a long contract, a striker, and in fine form and Liverpool were flush with the Torres money. If they were stupid to do that, why would another team be equally stupid (or more so) to offer £25m for a holding midfielder who isn't exactly setting the world alight?

 

My point is that there is always a chance that someone could offer stupid money, Torres was **** his last year at Liverpool. People pay silly money.

 

Lets not forget the lad had a month of ramadan at the start of the season, over a month injured and a month in Africa. so realistically he's played a couple of months of this season. He also has a long contract.
Teams are now commonly playing 5 in midfield which allows for that protective midfielder, a useful tool in modern football which not all teams have.
He's one of the best in the league, name better?
If he was to leave it would be for a "bigger" club; i.e a team competing in Europe, therefore they would have the money to pay. (CL qualification brings in 30M). Nowadays top end teams spend £15m like mid to low teams spent £3m; i.e its not too much of an issue.
Surrounded by better players and a more experienced manager to learn from he will improve and his character suggests he wants to learn, offering potential.

It's my belief that Pardew struck a deal somewhere along the lines of £10m for Cisse in January, then if we get CL no one leaves, EL 1 leaves and no Europe, 2 leave.

 

But the Torres deal was as stupid if not more so than the Carroll one, but at least Torres has a history of being one of the best strikers in the world - Chelsea were obviously just hoping the old adage of form being temporary... still held true. That and it was a clear ego purchase on the part of the Russian. That won't be the case with Tiote. Tiote is a holding midfielder with a grand total of 1 goal and 2 assists in the time he has been here. You need more than putting the boot in and reasonably accurate square passes to warrant a £25m fee.
Anyway, we'll see.

 

Have you not noticed a certain change in the financial winds?

 

Or it's PR. We all prepare to lose a few key players, no-one goes and we're ecstatic, but then no-one comes in either.

 

Yeah I've noticed a change in the financial winds.
Financial Fair Play initially said be a profitable organisation working within your own means or be banned from European competition.
It changed to break even or make a minimal loss then again to repeated excessive losses may result in a ban from European competition.

Man City signed an admittedly dodgy looking £400m sponsorship deal.
Liverpool alledgedly get £40m in shirt and kit sponsorship alone.
CL qualification makes a minimum £30m.
Man U can make 100m+ in a season.
We're engineered to unearth and make good a player to sell on for excessive cash to these top teams.
We break even now with minimal sponsorship so we don't need to cash in unless its mega bucks.
The rules designed to make a fairer playing field are, like in real life, only going to let the rich get richer whilst the poor drown save for a few savvy people.
Villa, Everton, Sunderland are the ones who will struggle more than Man U but we're not looking to sell to teams of Villas calibre.

 

We didn't break even. We made a loss of close to 4m on revenue of 88m. Now that's a substantial improvement, but in most other businesses, it would still be considered a major problem.
And those clubs make a lot of money, but their costs are also huge.
Like i said, we'll see, but £25m for Tiote... He just isn't anywhere near that good.

 

Exactly.

Tiote has been very average this season. No where near £25 million worth of player. Newcastle can't base all their future business on the bit of luck they had getting £35 mil for Carroll.

 

Tiote will cost £10-15 mil if the club manage to get more than that it will be a good piece of business. Still would rather we kept him, but if does go in Carr i trust

 

Think this proves he won't go then, as Newcastle will have a high asking fee.

 

We made a profit of £13m. The loss of £4m comes from them reducing the value of the squad by £17 million. I'm not sure how they work out the value of squad players mind; I'd assume its contract based rather than hypothetical transfer values.
The figures are also from last season, so whilst our wages have no doubt increased slightly we should be in a profit for the year end this season.
A further element of these figures is the club including total contracted wages in their transfer values as money spent, when it's not actually spent yet.
Also as a defensive midfielder he's not judged on goals or assists. That's Cabaye's area. Tiote is judged on breaking up attacks and protecting defenders.

 

Tiote will be sold for 12-14 million and no more in my opinion. Not had a great season but you can see he is a good player in centre midfield and his type are hard to come by hence the inflated price for what appears to not be a 'class' player.

 

So we're looking to make the squad smaller so that we have a stronger bench?

Hmm, so what happens should we qualify for the Europa League?
Play the kids in the week?

Newcastle United is a 'big club' and i'm sick of the 2nd rate nature in which Llambias talks about the club in.

If we don't add quality and quantity to our squad, we'll never be able to challenge on multiple fronts.

For goodness sake, it's the fundamentals of being a top 6 Premier League side - we need to be back in Europe and for us to be seen abroad once more.

Llambias et al are treating this club like an also-ran when we're on the verge of a return to the 'big time'.

Insane facts.

 

Not sure the top men have the same ambitions as us and they certainly wont put the club in a financially unstable position to try and achieve it-rightly or wrongly !

 

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