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The 10k Betting Experiment (Stage 2) - FINISHED

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  1. Ron

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    An experiment is not worth much unless it proves something. So after the success of Stage 1, I'm putting my neck on the block with Stage 2. Again I start off with a £10k Betting Bank and an empty Piggy bank. All losses reduce the Betting Bank and all profits go into the Piggy Bank.

    Stage 1. £10,203* Profit (* assumes Sea Moon does not win the Arc)

    Stage 2. £11,200 Profit




    Stage 1 bets can be viewed here
     
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    First bet £1600 win Astra Hall 15/8
     
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    Off to a flying start. 3rd 5/4 £1600 lost

    Balances

    Betting Bank: £8.400
    Piggy Bank: Empty
     
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    Whatever would have happened with today's selection, I believe this time of year is very difficult for the punter and I wasn't going to commence Stage 2 until either the form for NH had settled down, or even wait for the flat next season. The bet today looked a good value bet at 15/8 (an improving filly who had also shown an appreciation for a step up in trip, on a 3 timer, and seemingly not much to beat). She was backed down to 5/4 so clearly I was not alone. She had never raced on good going but I took the view that the trainer must have been happy with good ground (had the ground description had firm in it I would not have touched the race). I will continue but I suspect the experiment may just confirm that this is the wrong time of year to be backing horses.
     
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    3 of interest tomorrow:
    Nottingham 18.20 Mister Marc (has the form to win but up against 2 unexposed, unbeaten colts and an unexposed, unbeaten filly
    Nottingham 18.50 Lady Moonlight (unbeaten and W Buick booked)
    Nottingham 19.50 Dinkum Diamond (Excellent form on sound surface)

    but, with confidence knocked today, and slight question marks over all 3, I will just look on tomorrow.

    No bets Tuesday
     
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    Christmas to Cheltenham Ron - best time of the year to bet, as long as the ground isn't extreme <ok>
     
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    Would it be best to concentrate on horses not going to Cheltenham as they may be saving themselves for the big one or trying to get a decent handicap? Are there any Cheltenham races where the horse has to qualify by winning beforehand?
     
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    Most Cheltenham horses will have a run somewhere between 40-60 days prior to the festival, but will want to avoid serious competition - a nice prep race and a confidence boosting win. Nicholls & Henderson usually getting their best Cheltenham hopes prepped during this time. The handicappers need watching though - some will be "protecting their mark" (so watch for chasers having a run over hurdles), whereas others will be trying like billy-o to win in order to get into one of the big festival handicaps.

    I also find that the NH form has settled down well around Christmas time - Kempton on Boxing Day has been one of my most successful betting days over the years (I had 5 out of 6 last year) and I honestly believe the form is truer in those 3 months or so. No dramatic changes in the ground, most horses really trying, the stuffyness out.
     
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    This is the problem everyone faces how do you react to a loser especially one you were very sure about...the psychological impact in gambling is the biggest enemy...you didnt do anything wrong today so why would your confidence be knocked...
     
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    I didn't express myself very well Ardent. It's not so much my confidence as my confidence in the reliability of the form.
     
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    Wouldn't normally touch odds on shots but with all the boxes ticked maybe 8/11 is reasonable value

    £2,200 win Emirates Queen 8/11
     
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    Oh FFS. Just noticed the going has changed to soft. Last night it said good to firm. How can it change that much overnight? I guess I should wait until just before the off in future. At this rate the bank will be gone in no time. I bet Oojooba gets placed at 16/1 now (on my tracker).
     
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    10/11 now Ron - did you go BOG? I think I even saw 4/7 in places earlier today <yikes>

    Must've pissed it down on the plain
     
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    Well there you go. I deserved that. Now I'm in serious trouble. Should have laid it off and cut my losses when the going turned.
     
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    ****ing Timeform cost me there, but I should have checked. Once again they have Salisbury as good to firm for tomorrow; ATR have it as good to soft. And today it was soft. Who are we to believe?
     
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    I fancy Trade Secret tomorrow but I'm not going to be tempted; first time in a Group race.

    It has to win now.
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    Yippee. Trade Secret 15/8 Fav and last of 7. I avoided another loser. That's like having a winner at present.
     
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    Risky but will have £2,000 win on Rosdhu Queen (Newbury 16.00) at 2/1 freely available
     
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    Needed that. £4,000 profit (and SP was 11/10)


    Betting Bank £6,200
    Piggy Bank £4,000
     
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    Well done with that one healthier viewing now!
     
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