1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

The Jewell Ultimatum...

Discussion in 'Ipswich Town' started by WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM, Sep 16, 2012.

  1. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    22,716
    Likes Received:
    9,653
    Tractorbhoy you forget to mention that we have only scores 3 goals in 5 games (the other being an OG) and we have a -7 GD already! If we continue at this rate throughout the season we will be on course to concede over 100 goals! The buck does stop with Jewell irrespective of the fact that we are playing nice football. We are in a results driven sport and the results so far aren't bloody good enough! Mick McCarthy would get my vote right now. He wouldn't take any crap and he's experienced enough to get us out of this mess with his no nonsense approach.
     
    #41
  2. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    7,852
    Likes Received:
    1,527
    Nothings won or lost after 5 games.......................<ok>
     
    #42
  3. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    22,716
    Likes Received:
    9,653
    That's true but being in the bottom 3 with the worst GD in the league does not make for the ideal start! Another season of fighting for survival... YIPEE!
     
    #43
  4. tractor bhoy

    tractor bhoy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,198
    Likes Received:
    168
    Not forgetting that at all JWM but we dont lose extra points for having a bad goal difference and if it wasnt for a pasting against Blackpool it would be minus 1. You cant paper over the fact that it happened but I suggest it does mean we are less likely to get to your 100 figure.
    Im not denying that playing decent football is not good enough by itself (as I pointed out when you had a go on the same point on this thread yesterday and chose not to respond to) and as I also said Im not sure if the current set up can move us onto that next level where the results mirror the peformance.
    I like Mick McCarthy as a manager but as you keep pointing out Clegg doesnt complete deals and as I have suggested we are already under a much tighter budget. Will McCarthy be able to do any better. as you always say 'why rearrange the chairs on the titanic?'
     
    #44
  5. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    7,852
    Likes Received:
    1,527
    I think we've seen in the past how things can change quickly with a good run in this league, any fight for survival or glory won't start until at least January so far to early for me to pull my Beard out.....
     
    #45
  6. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    22,716
    Likes Received:
    9,653
    Technically Tractorbhoy GD can play an important factor in a tight league! We keep going round in circles on this but I think it's fair to say that you are happy for Jewell to continue and I am very much of the opinion that we need to action and remove him and Clegg now!
     
    #46
  7. Rushmere

    Rushmere Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2011
    Messages:
    597
    Likes Received:
    0
    We ALL have double standards? Really? Think you are dipping into your little bag of generalisations there Spanish. For what it's worth you should see that I do NOT support Jewell, do NOT believe that we have a good enough team, CANNOT see any progress and that I am TOTALLY P'D OFF with the same old same old being spouted by the manager / chairman / club.

    Despite the fact that you have decided to call me stupid in your previous post, you might see that my two points were 1) I dont want to see my team lose and 2) I don't think anything we do will change the way the club and owner think. It's my opinion - equally as valid as yours or anyone elses - any I believe it to be true.

    I will be at the game tomorrow night and Saturday and I will, you can be assured, be very vocal in voicing my displeasure if it comes to it - I always have.

    By the way, I have never criticised JWM (hopefully he will vouch for that) and I will also not resort to childish insults. However, I would say that it seems easy for some to be big and brave on this forum and hurl insults around like confetti. I DO wonder though if they would be equally brave if they were sitting next to one of the people they are so critical of? Answer, probably not - largely because the most vocal on this forum seem to be the ones that don't actually go to the matches.
     
    #47
  8. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    22,716
    Likes Received:
    9,653
    ME's divide and rule policy has certainly done the job!

    We have turned into fighting amongst ourselves like rats in a sack! I disagree with the notion that we should just give Jewell our backing come what may and I admit that I have been vociferous in my opposition to Jewell and Clegg. I just want to apologise for any petty personal comments that I have directed at fellow posters who I don't agree with. I am passionate about the fortunes of Town like everyone else on here but there is no need for us to keep fighting each other! We should be directing our disgust and anger towards the ****ers that have brought our Ipswich Town FC down to it's knees.
     
    #48
  9. San Diego

    San Diego Sir Mediator
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2011
    Messages:
    41,007
    Likes Received:
    102,975
    There's been fighting amongst the ranks here on and off for quite a while, even back to the 606 days. It shows that something is not right at our club, but still nothing changes and we take it out on each other instead of aiming our displeasure at the club and those involved with turning us into something unrecognisable from what we were before Marcus and his money came to save/ruin us.
     
    #49
  10. itfcptc

    itfcptc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    4,496
    Likes Received:
    1,793
    I think the infighting is much less now than it was previously actually!! There's nothing wrong with heated argument where the odd thing is said but it's when others goad others into responding or are just rude and label it with banter which really annoys me and is out of order!! People appear to be rude just because others disagree with them, which isn't on, you should be able to get your point accross without just insulting them!!

    I even think although he (probably) won't read these forums, calling PJ all the names under the sun is wrong, perhaps you think he isn't a very good manager but to me he comes accross as a decent bloke and doesn't deserve all the personal insults!! Surely can put their view accross without being so 'eloquent' or insulting to others?? Keane was a tosser but thats a different matter!!!
     
    #50

  11. San Diego

    San Diego Sir Mediator
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2011
    Messages:
    41,007
    Likes Received:
    102,975
    Rushmere,
    No need to hate on the users on this forum who, mostly for geographic reasons, can't attend matches. A lot of us rely on not606 to talk about our team and feel still involved in some way. Believe me, the only reason I would move back to Suffolk would be for football, and I would be attending every possible match regardless of performances or which league we were in. At the end of the day we all want what is best for Ipswich, but as you say, there are some keyboard warriors who take it a bit too far or make it too personal.
     
    #51
  12. Rushmere

    Rushmere Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2011
    Messages:
    597
    Likes Received:
    0
    San Diego, I would have thought that you knew me better than that mate - I know your situation and that of some others.

    Someone said in this thread that we should vote with our feet to show our displeasure with the club. My view is that it would make no difference whatsoever. I am going to leave NOT606 and, no doubt, with the same result. Nothing will change.

    I came back on here to have some banter, fun and discussion (or even argument) with other Town supporters. Since this site started up I have never thrown insults at anyone and have always tried to put my point across in the right way and appreciate that everyone is entitled to an opinion. Unfortunately, amongst the many decent people on this site, there are remain a few who seem to get off on throwing insults around, seemingly don't bother to take the time to read others' posts properly and hide bravely behind their keyboard.

    To all the genuine Town supporters on here, wherever they may be and irrespective of whether or not they can get to matches, I wish you all the best and I will continue to have the same blue and white blood in my veins that you do. Whatever the situation.

    To those who seem more interested in self promotion and posturing than supporting the club, I sincerely hope that your efforts to weaken the credibility and enjoyment of visiting this site do not result in its membership continuing to decrease.

    Bye
     
    #52
  13. itfcptc

    itfcptc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    4,496
    Likes Received:
    1,793
    I'm sorry you feel like this Rushmere, I also felt this way on many occasions especially before the summer when you couldn't really have a serious football conversation without being insulted or threads ended up talking about chips and peas. I know I'm not the only one to feel like this a few have messaged me (not just ITFC not606 fans) with the same concerns about the ITFC not606 forum. It appears that numbers have seriously diminished since the 606 days and it became very one dimensional.

    I had a small hiatus as I was just fed up with the insults because I had a difference of opinion and everytime there was a decent thread it got hijacked by talking about something completely non football related or just became a slanging match. I came back a) because I couldn't stay away and b) because I actually believe it has got slightly better in the past couple of months (perhaps it is because it wasn't the football season), the odd insult appeared but there were a few decent threads and debates.

    We've had a few newbies on here who've written some good posts but straight away because people haven't agreed with them they were insulted, that's really not going to encourage people to come back and it would be great if we could attract new people to add to the debate as sometimes it gets a bit one dimensional on here!! We have to be very careful that this forum doesn't just become that of a few posters hurling insults at each other and then labelling it as banter otherwise it will become very boring for everyone!!

    I hope Rushmere you only take a small break from not606 and come back to add to the debate, hopefully things will be a bit more positive then and we'll be challenging for promotion and all getting on swimmingly on here(perhaps too much to ask)!!!
     
    #53
  14. Hairy Mary Quite Canary

    Hairy Mary Quite Canary Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2011
    Messages:
    3,601
    Likes Received:
    2,552
    Aren't you guys one win of mid-table? Bit early to be manning the life rafts. See how you're fairing at 10 games in.
     
    #54
  15. Spanish

    Spanish Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2011
    Messages:
    6,673
    Likes Received:
    2,980
    Rushmere

    Where in this thread have i accused you personally of insulting JWM? Where exactly have you been insulted? If you are talking about this:-

    Rushmere, you say we can shout and scream but it wont change anything and Evans will stick by Clegg and Jewell so you will continue to support the team. That is bloody stupid because its that kind of attitude that will be our downfall, we need fans to vote with their feet, that way Evans will have to take note and make changes.

    With regards to your opinion on the other points you have stressed, i have never said you like Jewell etc, so please don't put words into my mouth!!

    I will say i'm saddened if you are offended but most certainly not sorry as i can't see anything to be sorry for, its just a MAJOR over reaction by yourself!!



    Then you really need to grow up bud because that is NOT an insult and i think most on here will agree with that, that is just saying i think your thoughts on that particular subject is stupid, if i don't agree i say i think that is stupid, i'm not gonna agree just for the sake of it. I do stand by what i said and i do think that if people don't turn up ME will have to act and you saying it wont change a thing is a deluded idea, in my opinion.
     
    #55
  16. tractor bhoy

    tractor bhoy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,198
    Likes Received:
    168
    I hope nobody leaves this forum. Even those that I dont see eye 2 eye with. I do feel that some posters can do 1 or 2 things that downgrade what can be an interesting difference of opinions. Those things being either saying people are stupid for not seeing your point of view because according to you there is no second option. The other thing is where somebody will write a post which covers 5 or 6 different things and then somebody will copy 1 line of that call the original poster an idiot and not bother discussing anything else covered or even give reasons. It can be very school yard.
    As San Diego has stated some of you cant for very valid reasons go to matches but then it seems harsh when people that do go give a match review and other say something like 'dont talk bollocks just because you love Jewell' if that review shows any positives. I guess these poeple are basing their comments on a) a hatred of our current setup and/ or b) a max of 5 minutes hightlights from the internet.
    Its fairly obvious that we are not a great team so when we give positives, they should be taken in context. I have said that recently we have been playing decent football but are still weak in front of both goals, which is not good enough. I think it is now 3 times that people have jumped on the 'decent football' part and have said 'you dont get points for decent football you braindead idiot' whilst ignoring that second part of the comment which puts the thing in context.
    Maybe my posts are too long for these pages as it seems most are unable or unwilling to read full paragraphs or maybe I ramble over too many points for each comments to be responded too.
     
    #56
  17. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2011
    Messages:
    7,852
    Likes Received:
    1,527
    Rather than saying 'thats STUPID' maybe try saying 'i disagree' and explain why(just a thought).

    I think at the moment anything that is done by the club/manager/CE will be looked at negatively by a few people.
     
    #57
  18. Spanish

    Spanish Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2011
    Messages:
    6,673
    Likes Received:
    2,980
    But weighty it was a stupid comment!! To say that if fans dont turn up it wont make any difference is frankly ridiculous, thats not just an opinion its a fact!
     
    #58
  19. Spanish

    Spanish Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2011
    Messages:
    6,673
    Likes Received:
    2,980
    The thing is, saying a comment is stupid is not the same as calling someone stupid, i have said many a stupid thing in the past but i still class myself as fairly bright, just say the odd silly thing.
     
    #59
  20. tractor bhoy

    tractor bhoy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2011
    Messages:
    2,198
    Likes Received:
    168
    which goes back to the old point of who is the problem doesnt it. If it is PJ & SC are working under ME's remit and instructions then removing them will have no effect whatsoever. If we are trying to be financially sensible then fans staying away and therefore not investing money means we will have even less to spend and it will be an ever decreasing circle into obscurity.
    I see the point you are making Spanish but it also has flaws in it so The comments made by others are not stupid at all. They are just different sides of the argument.
     
    #60

Share This Page