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Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Geordieginola, Nov 1, 2012.

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  1. Darth Tash

    Darth Tash Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm, I can't confirm whether these are true, but if this is so, then I'm happy to see racists get punished, whatever their colour. However, they're kind of isolated incidences, and it was against police offer, where what you do is multiplied by 5.

    Anyway, I think we can all agree that there are a lot of double standards in society and they rub off on the law.
     
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  2. MagAloof

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    That's bollocks. It's this sort of **** that makes the idea of freedom of speech totally worthless.

    Yes, freedom of speech, I agree with it... until I get offended then I'm reporting you.
     
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  3. Darth Tash

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    I may have not made my point quite clear bro, and It's my fault that I misrepresented some of my points. Sorry. Here's a summary of my way of thinking -

    I don't think it's right for someone to be harassed and shouted at in a hateful way, that's wrong. So if you're someone that runs up to a black guy, for instance, and says "you black twat", then that's wrong.

    But we shouldn't make a big deal out of the random idiot in a football crowd making monkey noises. It wont help.
     
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  4. MrToontastic

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    So earlier in the thread people just needed to "man up" but now you think it's wrong and you also think that we shouldn't make a big deal out of the KKK's values. You really have back tracked from your opening few posts.

    My my, do we have a changed man already??

     
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  5. Minxy

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    Fascinating read .... complex subject
     
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  6. Darth Tash

    Darth Tash Well-Known Member

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    You think of yourself as an intellectual, but you're really just arrogant and childish.

    There's a difference between running up to a black man and calling him a nigger, and the KKK having legal and organised rallies expressing their point of view. I ****ing hate the KKK, but as long as they're not harassing and victimising black citizens, then they should be allowed to speak their opinions.

    They have their rallies with signs saying "**** niggers", "**** jews", but they're not going up to these people and harassing them. They are offensive, but they are entitled to freedom of speech, and no one is forced to be a spectator of their rallies. Their rallies are scheduled and protected by police, so you can avoid them easily.

    You've, again, totally missed the point of my argument, and you've also, again, shown that your "education" has not made you a more intellectual individual, just a stubborn prick who knows a load of Jargon and thinks his opinion is better than everyone else's.

    Get back to Toonforum where pompous little ****s like you belong.
     
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  7. MrToontastic

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    Not really but I'm loving the way you've back tracked on your early posts.

    Allowing groups such as the KKK have rallies just breeds hatred amongst the attenders. In the long run these rallies hurt people.

    For the record, the only childish one is you, you can never have a decent debate anywhere without hammering offensive words into your keyboard. I, however, have done no such thing I have merely challenged your extremist views on how the KKK should be allowed to have rallies, that minorities should "man up" and stop getting offended so easily and how in the early body of this thread you had an opinion that it's OK to allow the odd person get away with racial slurs as punishing just one person won't help.

    As punishments go, setting the benchmark early and making examples of people usually works. You are always going to have the odd absolute muppet still trying their luck but regardless of if it's a big or small incident, each incident should be dealt with same. There's just no place for racism in the global society.

    Haha, I find this quite ironic because one of the main reasons most people registered on TF was to get away from you
     
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  8. Ba's Strawberry Syrup

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    You're right, freedom of speech should be allowed but you put your point across like a disabled monkey with a lisp. Stop digging yourself in a deeper hole, you have the social skills of a kipper.
     
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  9. MrToontastic

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    To be fair there's no need for insults like this, a simple challenge of views breeds a better debate.
     
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    Just because everyone left this site to get away from you and banned you when you followed, don't be bitter.
     
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  11. Darth Tash

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    As I said above, I may have misrepresented some of my points, but It's quite clear that I'm against racism and I think harassment is wrong.

    I have stated a few times that education is the way to make sure that most people stay away from such idiocy, like the KKK. We need to spread the opinion that racism is wrong, but we cannot stop people from having racist opinions any time soon.

    That is why I believe hate groups should be allowed to have scheduled rallies. We shouldn't ban them from speaking, we should try and educate them. But some people are beyond reason. They should have the freedom to express their bullshit, but we should have the freedom to ridicule their ill-informed opinions.

    This is the best way to get rid of racism. Passing hate speech laws will not stop racism, it will just make the racists spread their bullshit in other ways.

    Racists should be out in public and allowed to have their rallies. They may convert some retarded ****s to their side, but we should make an example out of them, and show to the future generations how their way of thinking is so ignorant and stupid. This way, you'll educate most people into viewing the KKK, and other racists, as retards, and people will eventually learn for themselves that hating someone based on their skin colour is retarded.
     
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  12. Darth Tash

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    Actually, I was a member of toonforum for a while, then asked to be banned and returned to not606.
     
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  13. Darth Tash

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    Social skills = Conformity. I am merely expressing my point of view. Deal with it.
     
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  14. Ba's Strawberry Syrup

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    Yeah man smash the system <laugh> I will quite happily conform if it means I have basic social skills.
     
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  15. Darth Tash

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    I didn't mean it in a goth way like "**** everyone, **** life, **** the system". I didn't mean it in that way.

    I am not socially awkward, I know how to act in front of others, but I don't not share the opinions of a lot of people, and I do not think I should be forced to act in a certain way, and I have opinions that a lot of people find offensive, but I'm not ashamed of them, and I'm quite happy to be an outsider.

    I'm not like the brainwashed mass, bro.
     
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  16. MrToontastic

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    Finally some clarity and sense with regards to your opinions. I agree with pretty much every you have said in this instance but still find it hard to agree with being pro-KKK. I'm not saying you agree with their policies but the fact you accept them into your environment is unfathomable.

    People of this ilk need to be stopped from putting their views out. If individuals have these opinions that's fine by me but as soon as you create an organisation in an attempt to brainwash others into agreeing and advocating your thoughts that is a step too far.

    Good debate, we got there in the end.
     
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  17. Arfa's Left Foot

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    I bleed black and white... :rolleyes:
     
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  18. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

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    *cough* religion/cults *cough*
    *cough* media *cough
    *cough* politics *cough*
    *cough* Academia of most varieties *cough*
    *cough* advertisment industry *cough*

    I could go on, but I must get that cough seen too...

    MrToontastic, you still have not understood Tash's argument clearly. Let's look at yours, then. Human rights advocator, yet you want a harsher prison climate (whether that be tougher sentencing, forced manual labour, I don't recall you mentioning specifics)? If Tash can't construct the bounds of right and wrong himself in this discussion, then I can call your view hypocritical and nonsensical, unless you happen to be suggesting that some people have more rights than others? Wouldn't that be some form of -ism you're committing?<whistle>

    I've heard many people express the same views as yourself, maybe not even with as much conviction (ironically), and go onto fall into the trap of saying prisoners with should forfeit human rights, or some of them... I hope you aren't the same and have some massive side-step(/quick look Angelina Jolie naked!) logical process to make such a stance look clever at all?
     
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  19. Disco down under

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    I have to ask... What exactly do ghost noises sound like??
     
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  20. Darth Tash

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    Please lock this thread....
     
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