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Breaking News! Alan Pardew has spoken a little sense regarding our form!

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  1. Hereward of Bourne

    Hereward of Bourne Well-Known Member

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    http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/10073641.Pardew_has_a_dig_at_Twitter/

    FORMER Saints boss Alan Pardew has admitted the rise of social media such as Twitter and Facebook has “accelerated the pressure” on managers and players.

    Pardew takes his Newcastle side to Stoke tomorrow night aiming to avoid a fourth successive Premier League loss.

    The Toon followed up home defeats to West Ham and Swansea by losing 2-0 on Pardew’s St Mary’s return last Sunday.

    Newcastle have not lost four consecutive top-flight games since the 2008-09 season, at the end of which they were relegated, and the current run of form is starkly out of character with that which they have enjoyed throughout Pardew's reign to date.

    The 51-year-old has enjoyed an extended honeymoon period with fans who largely did not initially welcome his appointment almost two years ago, and he admits the current situation is his toughest yet in the job.

    He said: "Yes, for sure. I don't think you need luck to win games - you like to think that the ability of your players is good enough.

    "But you don't need a run of bad luck, and that's what we have had in terms of injuries.

    "Forget about the Europa League, we have suffered injuries regardless of that, but those games on top of those injuries have really compounded the issue.


    "But we can't moan about it. We have got what we have got and we are going to have to get on with it.

    "It's time to roll our sleeves up and show our fans how much it means to us to wear the jersey and represent Newcastle."

    Sunday's 2-0 defeat at Saints was arguably one of the poorest performances during the manager's tenure, and there were even murmurings over his continued presence among the more trigger-happy users of some social media platforms after the game.

    Pardew said: "The new media of Twitter and Facebook are accelerating the process of pressure on managers and players.

    "We have got it here - we have lost three games and it's starting to build here very, very quickly, and I think it stems from that source.

    "Unfortunately, little campaigns are run that grow into something that perhaps [new Chelsea manager Rafael] Benitez fell into at the weekend.

    "It's very, very difficult, but we have to deal with it. That's our job and the most important thing is to focus on our teams, focus on what we can do to improve it.

    "Now we have got some improving here to do, we will make no mistake about that, not just myself and my coaching team, but my players too.

    "We are conscious that we need to get a couple of results really quickly."


    It's in bold, highlighted now just for Pardew to act on his admission and change his wretched approach to games from now.
     
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  2. Graham Carr's Binoculars

    Graham Carr's Binoculars Well-Known Member

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    It's good that he's come out and said that, but he could hardly have said we're not getting the rub of the green etc because that's simply not the case. Actions speak louder than words, so although those quotes are a positive sign, they'll mean absolutely squat unless our performances (not necessarily results) improve in the next two games.
     
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  3. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Never doubted the silver fox. Never given me reason to.
     
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    Have to say, even mentioning injuries annoys me, because I still don't isolate that as a particular cause in general crumminess. Europa-wise isn't an issue either because fringe players and reserves have mostly been used, and let's not forget the one man who has had to play every fricking game has been our best player and hasn't got injured yet, Davide Santon <ok>. So how has that affected the others performances so badly?

    Twitter doesn't help matters for a manager, because papers used to just have a gossip column, now they can instigate gossip and report on it as if it were actual news, and nobody is stopping them. However, the pressure to win games has always been there, and we'd be having the exact same discussions in the pub if not on here...

    I'm not happy with the interview, unless it means something after the Stoke game, because if we don't see what he's said evidenced in that game, that's f-ing irritating and I'll be joining the NRM people soon! To me he should have said they were trying, but now he's put a lot of pressure on himself by effectively saying they weren't.
     
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  5. Graham Carr's Binoculars

    Graham Carr's Binoculars Well-Known Member

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    Spot on <applause>
     
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  6. Marvo

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    We've had injury problems but the players we have had available should've been more than capable of winning the games they played. Southampton may be an exception to that, but we had a more than adequate team for the previous games and still failed to win.
     
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    We've been rubbish, pure and simple.
     
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  8. lady-eleanor

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    Injuries is a poor excuse all clubs get them and when they were going for players in the summer they should have tried harder to get them.
    I also think some players dont have the spirit to roll their sleeves up, to many players are going missing in games.
     
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  9. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Injuries for me depend on who is injured and where they play at a club like ours. You need a bit of luck with your spine basically. We've had Krul injured and now out of form, Colo suspended and injured, Saylor now injured, Tiote suspended, injured and out of form, Cabaye injured. Strikers have been fine all season. While I don't think you can blame it all on injuries, I'm not convinced you can just write it off at a club like ours like you can at a Man U or Man C.

    We don't have enough purples you see :biggrin:
     
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  10. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

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    They've pretty much all been suspended/injured at different times this season, that's my issue with this excuse. The fact is NOW we have a bit of a crisis, but before we just had to field Williamson and Anita in midfield at worst... Forgoing calling Willo a crisis by himself, we haven't had an injury crisis at all. Does anyone know if we've scored more points with Stevie Harper in goal than with Krul so far this year?
     
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  11. Graham Carr's Binoculars

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    But in most games only one, possibly two at most have been missing (Southampton aside), our 11 players against Southampton were of better quality than their's and should have given them a game instead of having their pants pulled down.
     
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    Maybe they're just exhibitionists.
     
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  13. magicbus

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    Pity he couldn`t say how disappointed he was with Ashley`s lack of support to improve the first team squad instead of going for his penny pinching buy em cheap philosophy. We all knew what rigour and strain being in the Europa Cup would be on the squad apart from the controller.
     
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    My biggest problem with the injury excuse (aside from what's been mentioned, regarding it only being really bad for Southampton), is that why should it be such a big problem for professional football players to step-up and play in the first team? I don't mean that they should displace regular first team players immediately. But they should be able to slot in, and at least be capable of fitting in to a system and being able to pass the ball to team mates in a manner that befits a professional player. For me, it just doesn't wash that these poor understudy's are being thrust into the first team and we shouldn't expect that much from them. If they're not familiar with the system, or aren't capable of playing at this level, then they shouldn't be anywhere near our first team!! Which then, comes back to the Manager and his shortcomings.

    I know it would be nice to have 22 first team("purple chip" - cringe!!), seasoned PL pros to come in, but as has been mentioned, we're not Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea etc. So, the very least we can expect is that the players that are chosen to train with the first team, should be able to step-up when called upon. I'm pretty sure Swansea, West Brom and every other team that hasn't got an unlimited transfer kitty, has had to call on a youngster or two and hasn't seen their season completely fall apart.

    I'm not a Pardew-out brigade member - I'm just someone who is expecting Pardew to be able to Manage the team when the going get's tough. It's all well and good to accept the accolades when things are going well. But it's when things are going badly, that a person tends to show their true worth. I'm hoping Pardew get's things turned around - I just don't have allot of hope, as he seems unwilling/unable to identify the problems and get to the bottom of them.
     
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  17. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Form and confidence can do funny things.

    Say your spine is Krul, Tiote, Cabaye, Colo, Saylor (not so much I have to say), Ba with Colo being the most vital obviously, followed by Cheik

    Spurs - Colo - Played well overall against a good side
    Chelsea - Tiote - Played as well as can be expected given their form
    Villa - Tiote - Pretty average
    Everton - Krul, Colo, Ba (benched) and Tiote - Great point despite not being our best performance against an in form side
    Norwich - Krul, Colo, Tiote Not amazing but a good solid 1-0 win
    Reading - Krul, Colo, Tiote - Poor performance and although a good point as a result showing great heart, still disappointing
    Man U - Krul, Saylor, Colo - Not horrendous once we got past giving away silly goals against a class side
    Sunderland - Saylor, Colo both unfit but available, Tiote in but sent off. 65 mins with 10 men, I thought we were terrific and kept the ball well. Unlucky not to take all three.
    West Brom -Saylor, Tiote - Look a good side this season and they deserved a point if truth be told. We weren't poor in this one but we werent at our best
    Liverpool - Tiote - Good performance in a traditionally difficult game for us. Kept the ball after a dodgy 15mins.
    West Ham - Colo, Tiote - Poor performance, still should have won/drawn but Ba left his good boots at home. We just didn't pass the ball well at all
    Swansea - Colo, Cabaye - Poor again, again a game we should have taken something from for me but not our best football
    Southampton - Colo, Cabaye - Awful

    So we've never had our complete spine. One out of complete spine is something we should cope with, Two is tricky but still we should get by. Three and above is very difficult for me personally. We're not one of the top side who can just drop top quality straight in. Also if it is the same guy that helps too because someone grows as they get more games. Colo is our captain and runs the team. He's played 5 games (one when not fit). Tiote our next most important for me because he drives the midfield, collects the ball from defence and breaks down the opposition. He has played 6.

    That to me is tough for any team.
     
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    But we're going to win versus Stoke, right WP? Please tell me we're going to win... TELL MEEEEE!!!!!!!!
     
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    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Er based on last season's domination of them over two games, our manager tactically outwitting theirs on both occasions..................no we're gonna get humped!
     
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