Will Hull Residents vote Yes to Allams Vision

...that's called EDRF funding. Something Hull has never got much of.

 

Surely the referendum should be voted on by all those that have to endure Karoo's monopoly, rather than the residents within an invisible boundary. After all, isn't that where most of the money came from?

 

The money was raised from the sale of a Kingston upon Hull City Council company. People simply bought the product.

If the people of the East Riding want a say based on using a Hull product, perhaps they should also contribute financialy to the other assets of Hull City Council that they use for free.

 

And the things they use for free are?

 

Have a look at the Council web site for how the rates are spent. Unless you think the dust faries sweep and resurface the unlit streets or stock the museums, parks, leisure centres and public gardens and yes, perhaps "or subsidised" may have been added to "free"

 

The East Riding relies more on Hull than vice versa. Not everyone in the East Riding's a Hull shopkeeper, and those that are rely on the proximity to other businesses (customers) that Hull provides to survive. Allied to these customers are the monies spent by the Council to attract more people into the City who can then spend in the shops for the East Riding folk to drive back out of the City on Council roads etc. Your 50% thing's pure guess work and doesn't fit my recollection of the breakdown AP produced not long after we moved to the Stadium.

 

My brother in law is a treasurer at the HCC so I'm going to pick his brains on this before answering fully but I would say this.. you aren't going to get facilities like those proposed through public funds in your lifetimes..

 

You have to drive on East Riding roads to get into and out of Hull.
Before you ask, I was born in Hull and have lived and worked in Hull all my life (with the exception of a few holidays). I expect to die and be buried in Hull (but not yet please).

 

When you say people bought the product are you on about the phonelines or the shares? The share price is based on future earnings and a good portion of those future earnings are from people in the East Riding who merely have/had the choice of a KC phone or no phone at all. Perhaps KC should have reported separately profits from Hull and East Riding residents, the windfall from Hull-based profits would have fallen dramatically and the council could have built a stadium that resembles Maine Road (but without the other three sides).

 

The A63's a Highways Agency Road, the Humber Bridge isn't East Riding and both only exists because Hull does. If nobody lived in the east Riding, there'd still be roads to Hull. The East Riding settlements are to a degree in existence because of the roads to Hull.

 

It's a Council business. If you shop at Tesco's you don't expect to get a say if they choose to build a new shop elsewhere. Just look on it as minor donation to the Hull services you enjoy.

 

I live in East Hull - well actually east of the River Hull - in leafy Sutton as it happens.

I cannot understand or maybe then I can, why people that live in the west Hull suburbs (not the former villages) of Hessle Cottingham Willerby & Kirk Ella, seem to think all of East Hull revolves around Preston Road FFS - it doesn't.

The artificially tight city boundary should have been moved decades ago and this so called Hull v East Riding thing would be virtually irrelevant. OLM - please take note. The city would not be royally f*cked but would finally fall in line with all other cities in this country in terms of taking control of its affluent suburbs for the first time in its history.

I've been a City supporter for over 40 years - lived in Leeds for 12 years of this time - and yes there is an insular parochial eggchasing supporting mentality about the city that has held us back for many years.

A referendum at local level is plain ridiculous - I believe Bristol had one in recent times about raising Council Tax - lo and behold they voted against it.!!

Its rare even at national level - the problem of a referendum being in how to phrase the yes no vote.

So come on Cllrs Brady, Hale etc - you have been elected to make decisions - have the balls to get on with it.

 

My dads bigger than your dad!!
I honestly think this is the daftest thread ive ever read on a city site!

 

Not aware that city supporters on this thread are being particularly small minded.

Agree on one thing though - any referendum is in danger of resulting in a no vote.

The then Labour controlled Council didn't have one to decide whether or not to spend £43.5m of the capital monies raised from the part sell off of Kingston Communication - otherwise they probably wouldn't have built the f***ing thing either. Then again if the Lib Dems were in control, then, they wouldn't either.

 

Parochial. Small-minded. Ignorant. That's Hull.

The boundary should be extended like it has been almost everywhere else. But we're not going to have a referendum on that.

Let's have a bit of excitement, for a change. It would be nice if the Allams put some money into theatre and music as well!

 

Labour will be praying to god if it goes to a referendum it is rejected. Once the bid is in they have the following options:

Reject the bid - be accused by Lib Dems and other councillors of holding back the City by rejecting the proposal.

Accept the bid - receive £40M to invest in capital projects. Either it's spent well and improves things for the people of Hull, completely undermining their efforts to to destroy the Lib Dems (like chucking a match onto a bonfire at the moment I know) on the basis of all the nasty cuts coming from the government, or it's spent badly and they're attacked for wasting public funds at a time when making good financial decisions is more important than ever.

Let the public decide - if the money comes in they can spend it well and say look what happens when Labour works together with you the people and does what you want instead of sitting in ivory towers. Or if it's rejected they still get to slag the government off for cuts that they'll make have far greater effect than is needed and they get to claim that at least they listen to you.

And this post is not party political, it's basic political strategy, any opposition party would make the government look worse in their councils than is necessary in order to secure the Westminster seats at the next election, and the losers will be the people.

 

Aint that the truth! Show me the money!