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  1. Bring Back Wooter

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    2012-2013 season?

    Or is that not historical enough?
     
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  2. MarkoLUFC

    MarkoLUFC Well-Known Member

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    I think your fans assuming that a player that isn't for sale is a realistic signing for a club that would be a step back in his career is worse than any assumption I've made.

    Also Financial Fair Play means you can only spend what your club brings in. Pretty sure Watford FC had a turnover less than £8 million at last report. That's less than the asking price for Sam Byram. That therefore means you can't afford him.

    Simple maths really.
     
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  3. MarkoLUFC

    MarkoLUFC Well-Known Member

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    Having a better team doesn't make you a better club... a player is best served by sticking around at a single club for more than a season at a time.
     
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  4. HaslemereKev

    HaslemereKev Well-Known Member

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    Certainly agree with this... unfortunately there are things called agents who are out to make a quick buck and don't always have thebest interest of their clients at heart (see Vydra's agent as an example).

    As a fan of a club with promising youngsters, you just hope they have a good head on their shoulders, and good advisors, and stay where they will best develop.
     
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  5. Bring Back Wooter

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    Stop skirting around the questions by throwing the assumption card back at me. Just answer the questions. If it is simple maths, simply answer the simple questions.

    What defines a "better" club then? Players serving more than a year at a club? (I would also recommend checking back in the next couple of days to see the "journeymen", "shop window", "foreigners" we had last season sign for the club [I know, it's a bit ironic, as I am assuming this]).
     
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  6. Markthehorn

    Markthehorn Well-Known Member

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    Of course Leeds are a bigger club - they are a one city club whilst we're next to some massive London sides.

    Something would be wrong if they weren't!

    But results aren't decided by history.
     
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  7. MarkoLUFC

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    That isn't even the argument. Some people on here seem to think that, despite it being in a players best interests to stay in one place for more than a year at a time, Sam Byram's career would be better served moving to Watford after only one year in the first team of Leeds, to be inevitably sold on after only a year at Watford when Watford bottle it again.

    That's overlooking the fact that the player isn't for sale, meaning an offer beyond the club's valuation (~8 million) would be required in order to land the player, a figure you simply can't afford.

    Granted, the game has changed and it would seem being outside the Premier League makes your club an irrelevance, but to suggest that Watford are now a better club than Leeds and a better place to be because you had one good season on the back of a bunch of loanees and a loophole in the system is just laughable.

    Unfortunately the Championship is far less predictable than the Premier League, and your chances of having a season as good as last season or going one better are pretty low. More than likely something won't be quite right and you'll never really gain any momentum and end up mid table or worse.

    Out of the countless clubs to go close and fall at the last hurdle in the last few years, Cardiff and Reading are the only ones that spring to mind that went one better the following season. The rest dropped off and had mediocre or terrible seasons.
     
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  8. wear_yellow

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    My god, just how stupid are you for a troll..you quote the Financial Fair Play rules, but you have no idea what they are. But carry on, it's most entertaining..

    Actually - a quick question, how are the investments made by your new owners going? Lot's of quality players coming in and the dross being let go?
     
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  9. vic-rijrode

    vic-rijrode Well-Known Member

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    He is not intelligent enough for a troll. Also trolls do not have shaven heads and an earring in one ear......
     
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  10. MarkoLUFC

    MarkoLUFC Well-Known Member

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    We seem to be doing alright so far. Offloaded one carthorse, released a few players clinging on for dear life and signed a couple of up and coming young players.

    So Mr Expert, what are the financial fair play rules about then? As I understood it a club can only pay transfer fees and wages up to 100% of the clubs turnover. That would mean Sam Byram's valuation puts you out of the running for him since I'm pretty sure it's higher than your yearly turnover.

    All this thread stinks of is you've had one good season and think that the best players in the Championship are now going to flock to you like flies on a turd. Being told that a rumour you've heard is bogus on the fact that the player is way above what you can afford appears to have offended you because you're having delusions of grandeur.

    I've not said anything along the lines of thinking we're going to walk the league or splash millions on all the best players or anything like that. All I've said is Sam Byram is far too good to be going to another Championship club. All I've implied is that we can now afford to keep him because our owners aren't incompetent and we've had some investment over the last few days.

    Besides, if we were forced to sell he'd be going to a Premier League club. Of all the players we've been forced to sell over the last few years, none of them have gone to rival clubs, all of them have gone abroad or to the Premier League.

    I implied the first question - what makes you think Sam Byram is a realistic target for Watford?
     
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  11. Bring Back Wooter

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    You are still skirting around my questions, which are quite fundamental to your initual points. You've acknowledged them, so why not answer? Is it because you don't have an answer?

    It just discredits everything you continue to say.
     
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  12. Bolton's Boots

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    I don't suppose the rules were made up with our scenario in mind anyway, but our owners can point to profits from transfer dealings over the last three years of approx £130M. Quite how that impacts on FFP is anyone's guess, but it wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility to suggest that those profits are being spread over the four entities that the Pozzo family own. Which would make it entirely probable that Watford could afford your player.

    I doubt that they would want to though if your quoted fee is correct - he simply isn't worth that.
     
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  14. bring-back-tamas

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    We've just signed Lewis McGugan. So yeah, you got that part right!

    Whether we can or can't afford Sam Byram - and whether he is or isn't signing for us - is totally irrelevent. It was only a bit of supporters' speculation.

    The fact is this: we are building a strong squad for this season, and we will be there or thereabouts.
     
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  15. MarkoLUFC

    MarkoLUFC Well-Known Member

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    Yes, why are you more likely to finish in the 18 positions that don't get promotion rather than the 2 that will and the 4 that might?
     
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  16. MarkoLUFC

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    What amuses me is how several of you were quite convinced that he was the unnamed player in question, not one of you used common sense and acknowledged that he's worth more than you can afford. Nobody on here even seems to think it would be a sideways step at best for the player.

    You can't offer anything that Leeds can't.
     
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  17. bring-back-tamas

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    Off the top of my head, I would say that Watford could offer a better style of football than Leeds.
     
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  18. Bring Back Wooter

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    Cant offer anything more than Leeds? Would you consider direct links with Serie A and La Liga a positive for a young player?

    Anyway, again, care to answer my questions?
     
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  19. MarkoLUFC

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    There were too many of them to waste my time reading and taking seriously. I read the first couple of they stank of scraping the barrel for ways to convince yourself that you're not still a small time club.
     
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  20. Bolton's Boots

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    Then your opinions are worth zilch - based as they are on unfounded rumour and headline trawling of gutter press rather than proper research. Best you stay on the Trolland Road site and keep them to yourself.
     
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