OT - Anti-Homeless Spikes in post london Neighbourhood

http://rt.com/news/164524-spikes-homeless-london-outrage/

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Spikes are also installed in Paris
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So this is how some plan to deal with the homelessness problem

I know in some US states homelessness is actually illegal, unless you can manage to never sleep and stay out of public places
in Ireland the state and councils also have a deplorable record on this, A Priest who took people in and gave them food and a shower and a warm bed was threatened to have his home taken if he didn't stop it because the locals didn't like the sight of these people.

Anyone can end up homeless if you have some pretty bad luck.


****ed up auld world when the sight of someone sleeping on a spot of ground in your area is more irritating than the fact someone has to kip on the ground in the first place.

Thankfully not everyone is a heartless batard, A group I know back home often goes out and collects unwanted sleeping bags and all manner of stuff to share out, I've given many a thing towards that end it takes nothing and it's sickening to see how police treat many of these poor sods, some would have you believe they are all boozing scoundrels looking to do you any chance they get, I spend a year homeless when I was in my late teens myself, once you get trapped in that it can be very difficult to get out of it for many.

 

"So this is how some plan to deal with the homelessness problem "

incorrect, that's how they hope to deal with the problem in posh areas, ie only the areas these twats who enforce these things go.

its not just the issue of getting rid of the homeless though, they also attract some idiots as well, ie pissed up think they are hard as had a few bevies kick the crap out the homeless guy type, ie mainly teenagers or ones who go around in gangs, if you have a posh area you don't really want to attract these types to an area which they will if they know of a homeless guy sleeping there, sad but true.

i think its sad that now days you have to pay to get into a night shelter, used to be nothing when i was unfortunate to be in that position, and i have had beggars come up to me, and they feel they need to explain so its so they can afford to
get somewhere to sleep for the night.

although when i was in that position i never begged, just something i could never do, although i have eaten stuff thrown away from supermarkets in their bins, now days they have them locked, how sad is that when its being thrown away any way.

 

I imagine food hygiene laws are to blame for the food bins being locked. If someone was ill after eating something from a bin then they could probably sue the shop.
As most things have separate "sell by" and "use by" dates, I don't see why supermarkets can't give their stuff to a charity that would distribute it to people who need it rather than bin the lot.

 

A Priest who took people in and gave them food and a shower and a warm bed was threatened to have his home taken if he didn't stop it because the locals didn't like the sight of these people.



Don't tell me a man of religion did something good, what's the world coming to

 

Seriously though, anti homeless spikes - just plain inhumane.

jenners sorry to hear you have been in that situation, glad you pulled yourself through

 

Going to play devil's advocate here.

I used to work for Tesco, and we used to have a variety of different homeless people at our doorstep begging. Some of these guys would save up enough money from begging, then come in and buy some food or whatever, sometimes a can of beer and they would be polite and pleasant and nobody would give a ****.

However sometimes there were times when the people camped on our doorstep were abusive and had a generally threatening demeanour towards not just customers coming in. But staff coming out as we had to pull the shutters down.

I imagine that in the alcove above before the spikes were put down there could be any combination of piss, ****, litter that some minimum-wage clerk had to deal with daily.

These spikes are not 'anti-homeless' in my eyes. I'm sorry but it is a business at the end of the day and having a potentially threatening-looking (again not to say all people who find themselves homeless are actually threatening) dude sat by the doorstep is not an easy situation to deal with.

I do think however that it could have been done more tactfully. Perhaps a helpful sign indicating the nearest homeless shelter could have been put up in the area.

 

Another thing I will mention is that when I worked at a different Tesco, a moderately sized superstore, the amount of food we threw away into the compactor was abhorrent when you consider how many people could have benefitted from it. We would throw away roughly two, full tall cages of bakery goods each day along with a trolley full of fresh food that had passed it's 'best buy date', not even it's 'use by date'.

I had a conversation with the store manager about this and he claimed that the bakery goods had been offered to the salvation army. But that the salvation army refused to pick it up and asked it to be delivered, which Tesco refused.

Just an interesting extra. Surely Tesco would have hired one extra night-time driver? Or maybe the Salvation Army should be trying just a little bit harder? I don't know.

 

Wasn't there a story recently about one of these reality cookery shows were the food was being binned - very expensive food as well - and one of the chef presenters, in defence, said it had been offered to charity but they turned it down because the kitchen it was made in hadn't been health and safety certified [because it was just for a tv show presumably]. I don't know the truth of it, maybe he was trying to cover himself, but if it was turned down by charity organisations isn't that being a bit fussy?

 

all part of life experience jb, and i have more than people would probably realize or appreciate, and all this when i was younger as well.

its made me who i am today and appreciate what i have rather than take it for granted, i know a lot don't, but you would be surprised.

ie sisu point about anyone can find themselves in the homeless situation and is very true,like they say fine line between success and failure, we all live our lives on the edge of it, those who don't if they lose it all they are so used to having money they don't know how to handle it or budget and how to survive and go mental.

crumpets point is sadly very true, which i suppose like everything else in life minority ruins it for the majority, as i was just a teenager when i was homeless and an old pisshead tried his best to help me out and this was someone who had lived his life and accepted it drinking bottles of sherry and he didn't want me to go same way, they are not generally like that any more sadly.

just want to say this as i ****ing hate them, so apologies get this off my chest lol, i used to live on the streets with a manc (utd fan as well ffs)and we was both in the same situation but he stole everything off me i had in a bag (ie hid them as didn't want to walk around with it all day), saw him days later going out on the piss wearing my trousers(was nice ones) so i gave the **** a slapp.

****ing irony is i have seen him still around and selling the big issue, so when i walk past the twat out shopping i just have a grin on my face and think ****ing hell i used to be like that, but that **** deserves it.

 

This country will be on its knees in a few years due to riots and strikes etc due to not only these abhorrent spikes which is a sign of how far down benevolence has gone in recent times but also the increase in homeless people plus the need for food banks and clothesbanks, the bedroom tax, not enough suitable housing, not enough industrial, economic wealth and jobs being evenly shared across the country and the retirement age going up.

The UK is fast becoming a no-go area for the working class.

 

Someone once asked me why I did not move to London to make a lot more money ( I had been offered decent positions by rival companies back in the late 80's circa £50k plus, I was late twenties at the time). My answer was London was an overpriced s******e, populated by money obsessed soulless individuals who would backstab their own grannies to make an extra few quid. I also did not want to bring kids up there.

To this day I still think I made the right decision. I may have earned less, but I have a great family/friends and enjoyed living in Liverpool/Cheshire/Shropshire.

Each to his own I suppose.

 

I'm sure you appreciate every day where you are now from where you used to be and again [ I don't want to sound patronising so please don't take it that way] you have my respect for turning it around. I don't have a story anything like that but we were very poor as kids. We had jam bread for tea an awful lot and got sent to bed so we didn't know how hungry we were. Holes in our shoes were 'mended' with cut out cardboard - but my parents raised us all well and to this day I find it hard having more than one coat or one pair of shoes - you can only wear one at a time - was the story I was brought up on, it's hard to break away from. But that must sound like luxury to a homeless person.

As for manc beggars - it's still the same in Manchester, aggressive beggars with dogs! And Big Issue sellers is a contentious point with me knowing the mother of one who wishes dearly that he wasn't [obviously] but hates it that people give him money which is then spent entirely on drugs - not sure how much is taken out by the organisers but the remainder goes on one thing. She knew his spot in town and told us where it was and never to give him any money. I'm sure some or most, I don't know, aren't like him, but you tend to form your opinions based on personal experience.

China apparently is big on concrete homeless spikes mostly under bridges and also anti homeless park benches!

 

Good on you mate and very true, I've worked abroad and in many cities in the UK and Ireland but always came back here.

Home is where the heart is work is where the job takes you.

 

What happens if a kid falls and injures themselves on those spikes?

 

Good question saint, reminds me a little about it now being illegal to put glass along walls to stop people (kids included) from climbing over into a property.
Although the spikes wouldn't cause the same type of injury its still a danger.

 

politicians will probably try and twist it to make out they just want to sue and get money and its the fault of the parents ie up bringing blah blah, when reality is their bullshit is designed to brainwash people and save money, the give themselves another pay rise, ****s!

i dont mind the glass thing page, as at least if some **** tries to rob you now days you can at least give them a slap now the law isnt so much of an ass for you protecting your family and property. (i used to be on both sides of that argument as well sadly)

 

Neither do I mind the glass Jenner's but tbh my point is that its now illegal to cement smashed glass along walls essentially to protect kids who might try to get their ball or try to walk along it, but removing the glass is an invitation to burglars, it'll probably take a test case after there's an injury before the spikes officially accepted or banned.

There were many horrific injuries caused by car mountings like the Rolls Royce angel and others when pedestrians were in accidents and they were soon outlawed here, I hope these spikes are also, not just homeless people but kids, pensioners and the handicapped also.