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Jonjo Shelvey - Good or Bad?

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  1. plastic

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    Many on here were calling for him to be dropped for being so awful, but the BBC reports that he's has been key to the Swans' impressive start to the season. Shelvey also thinks he's good enough to play for England. Why the disparity between what BBC/Shelvey think and what many fans on here think?
     
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  2. NorfolkSwan

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    I think the criticism here has been a bit harsh tbh.

    On the other hand, nobody could accuse Jonjo of lacking confidence in himself lol

    That might actually be part of the issue, his over-confidence in his ability leads to him trying difficult passes that don't benefit the team as much as a short one would. The same was true of Hernandez sometimes he would try some ridiculous pass instead of the easy option. SOMETIMES those came off and we created a chance, so he became a "marmite" player - some love, some hate.

    The trouble is Jonjo plays in the heart of midfield meaning a mistake can lead directly to the opposition getting a chance.

    I just think he needs to listen to the coaches and make sure he develops, he's still really young and could grow to be one of the best british midfielders in the league.
     
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  3. roofjack_22

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    Ill go with ugly ..lol
     
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  4. Yankee_Jack

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    Somebody posted his comments about being selected for England on another thread - it's amusing that he thinks he can play for England if selected, when he doesn't realize that he first has to consistently put in performances for us and his selection (barring discrimination) will take care of itself.

    I think it's more complicated than what you have suggested Norfolk. He has mental / self-discipline problems - often makes stupid challenges getting a yellow card and giving away dangerous dead ball situations. He has focus and stamina problems - he was on impulse power only too often physically and perhaps mentally against Chelsea - he just wasn't keeping up with the flow of the game. And, as you have pointed out he prefers a long ball any day over the simple easy pass too often giving up possession.

    He can be terrific when he gets it all together, but that's a challenge for him on a consistent basis. I'm not sure that he's the sharpest knife in the draw even amongst footballers - this may be part of it. He has been with us for a while now and yet has not appeared to have adapted well, adopted and plays within our passing / possession style. He may be the proverbial square peg / round hole.

    I don't see him playing when Leon comes back. I'd rather see what Carroll can do for 90 against Southampton.
     
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  5. CCC

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    LFC fan, in pace.

    I always have been and always will be a big fan of Jonjo. He's got absolutely bags of talent and guts. He has technical ability, can shoot, can tackle (not terrible all the time, anyway), can pass, can dribble, etc, although he's not the fastest of players.

    I was gutted he left Liverpool, TBH, as I expected him to come good like Henderson has, and Raheem has, and as I now expect Ibe will.

    I think you've got a very good player in Shelvey. He's young and still learning and will have a great future ahead of him. He has his bad points, obviously, like all players, but I've always felt his pros outweighed his cons.
     
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  6. Bob the slob

    Bob the slob Well-Known Member

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    Genuine, emotional, passionate and a trier. Still young and potentially a good player. He has chipped in a few goals.
    But, instrumental in our success this season so far? No way. Could play for England? Not at the moment.
    He may, with the help of the sports psychologist rather than team coach, become a really good player and I hope he does and does so with Swansea. But there are an awful lot of negatives to his performances. Difficulty passing short, slow at picking his pass, successful long balls are as much to do with Routs and Nathan adjusting themselves to collect as they are to do with the quality of the pass, positioning himself to receive passes is weak, he doesn't head a ball well, loss of concentration, gives away needless free kick and picks up unnecessary bookings.
    Is he playing in his preferred position?

    So far this season he has been shocking? Again it isn't clear what his preferred position is. I assume he's first choice at the moment because we have no alternative.
    While I like him, he has got something very loveable about him (fans do love him) being absolutely objective he is on way behind Leon, deGuzman and even Canas (in the early days).

    He really does need to put in a string of decent performances to warrant his inclusion in the staring 11.
     
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  7. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    jonjo can be a match winner...good player...
     
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  8. swan_and_only

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    I rate shelvey and gets a lot of harsh criticism IMO. I think he works better with a natural CDM like Leon as he needs cover.
     
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  9. Libertyswan

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    Have to agree with this, some say he is still young but having played professionally for six years he often shows a very immature attitude & a complete lack of discipline which will cost us in the future.
     
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  10. PGFWhite

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    He's either great or terrible. He could do with a few "average" matches! As mentioned above, consistency is the key for him now. Personally I think he is a long way off international football.
     
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  11. ValleyGraduate12

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    Played very well v WBA but has been bloody awful in the other games this season. Like PGF says, he could do with a few average games.
     
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  12. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

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    He is on his day a terrific player so I'd prefer to see a lot more consistency from him , Imo I don't believe he's still not fitted into the team structure even after this length of time and tends to do his own thing rather than conform to the team ethos ,more than capable of pulling off something spectacular along with an equal measure of stupidity .
     
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  13. ProjectVRD

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    If we determine his short term future then it is easy, we have to keep him and hope he comes good more often than bad. His long term future is not exactly a worry for us but instead indeterminable because if he remains as is then he will be a good player, however if he matures as a footballer (with that comes to decision making) then he is going to grow into a midfield General!

    And he might get a few yellow cards but I don't mind that much, we need somebody with a bit of bite in the packed midfield area and someone who will let the opposition know who the real bully is if they muscle our smaller players.
     
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  14. Bob the slob

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    Against WBA he was decent for most of the first half but even then his head dropped after a couple of wayward passes. Second half he was the worst of another weak midfield performance. Carroll came on late for Jonjo who left to a resoundingly muted applause and a chorus of 'thank christ for that' and 'about ******* time'.
    I don't think Carroll is the answer to our DM so until Leon is fit Jonjo will continue to play there.
    TBF his season hasn't taken off yet. Even when he came on against Rotherham he looked very dodgy.
    Here's hoping Saturday will see him put in a solid 90+ minutes.
     
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  15. benditlikeabanana

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    You will know 5.45 on Saturday. Saints will probably go with Wanyama, Morgan and Cork. If Shelvey can influence midfield against those three then he could be near the England squad material. If he goes into his shell then is of the level of a standard PL midfielder. Does not really strike me as a DM, always thought he was more attack minded.
     
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  16. Norway-jack

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    Jonjo is still learning his craft, it's a massive season for him and I think he is maybe starting feel a bit of pressure , he has talent he doesn't have much brain.

    I think he is a bit immature actually, the boy has done well overall and will get better, the more we get behind him the better he will get IMO .
     
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  17. DragonPhilljack

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    Shelvey's issue is his lack of consistency, and that is down to his mental discipline, or the lack of it, he is not going to get an England call up until he matures, Dyer and Routledge are way ahead of him for a call up, but what he does have on his side is age, lets hope he learns fast under Monk!..............<ok>
     
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  18. Yankee_Jack

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    I didn't count them, but my impression is that the majority (say 80-20) of his passes, or more accurately attempted passes today, were long balls, not even close to the mark, that needlessly gave possession away. This is the thing that gets me. I don't see how he fits into our style of play. Compare to Ki - the guy was almost picture perfect today - and he makes it look almost effortless. Ki's passing is simple, he knows when to carry the ball, his tackling and interceptions were spot on, he hustled. I don't see a lot of hustle in Shelvey ... and when you're being out worked by Ki there's something not right.

    He has maturing to do for sure, but I'm not convinced that he can get where he needs to go. He's been playing first team football since he was 16 for one club or another - that's 6 seasons or more - surely by now he's got the message that stupid **** doesn't work if not from his coaches then from the senior players around him.

    I'm looking forward to Leon's return. Leon, Ki and Sig would be a much more coherent combination and I think that pushing Ki into Shelvey's role would provide better linkage to Sig. There seems to often to be too much of a gap between Sig and Shelvey / Ki in midfield.
     
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  19. roofjack_22

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    Shelvey and Siggy should fight for a single spot when Britton returns
    Dyer , Ki , Britton , (Shelvey or Siggy ) , Routledge
    they will both be hungrier to get minutes imo .
     
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  20. Bob the slob

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    Jonjo was better today in as much as he didn't stand out as often. Still well off the quality player he should be. TBF though a lot of the balls which didn't find a player were at a time when all our players seemed to be lumping the ball aimlessly to clear the defence and Bony wasn't there filling a huge space and occupying three players.
    Siggy was shattered today from an early point and he and Ki were understandably suffering from mid-way in the second half. We didn't use our sub options at all well today.
     
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