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  1. Nads

    Nads Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, 96 was in the midst of the Hall revolution and Keegan years, you leapt ahead at that time due to the higher profile of the club due to Sky.

    It's not a contest, we have both, always had similar followings etc, the fact you got a leg up at the timing of Hall's intervention is no slur, good on you for it.

    This spawned a generation of 'middle ground' fans that went black & white, we ****ed up by not being ready when the big time hit.
     
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    I wouldn't put it down to sky though. From 94 to 2000 we played in the UEFA cup or the Champions league each year, unless you mean it's because those games were on sky, of course.
     
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  3. Brian Storm

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    Problem was with Roker park is that facility wise it was a put off for families, I mean who'd want to take their little girl to a place where blokes stood with their cocks out pissing against a wall when the toilets were inevitability inaccessible with queues the whole of halftime? The influx of family's attending when we moved to the SOL was visibly apparent.

    Not that this has anything to do with half of County Durham suddenly becoming Newcastle fans. You never saw Newcastle shirt round my way (West Auckland) until you started putting beer mats on the shirt, three of them were my uncle and two nephews. I know we're similar, but I never heard any Sunderland fan deny such, where these mags in denial are ten a penny and it's these we laugh at and take the piss. If you're not one of them you shouldn't bite every time it comes up. ;)
     
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  4. Nads

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    Yes, and the extra exposure to the league.

    Football was suddenly in everyone's face, and as such the teams doing well at the time had an inflated profile, this is the period when you pulled away from us in stature and recognition.
     
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    Gus, you only had to go back to the late 70's early 80's when SAFC had a massive following in Gateshead especially the away games.
     
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  6. Nads

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    Yeah, and now it's maybe 20% of Gateshead.

    Shields was always split, but places like Durham & Chester were strong SAFC, now divided.
     
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    I remember the Gateshead reds (man Utd fans). I remember as well, one very well known sunderland fan who was down old Trafford in the early 80's with a few of my mates. They got a good kicking and he got off because he said he was a Gateshead red.
     
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    Not necessarily, being from Durham myself I can guarantee that a fair bit of it has always been split 50-50, particularly the dh7 areas
     
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  9. marcusblackcat

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    Thing is somb - some of your fans think you didn't exist before Keegan and Hall as well - a large number (without access to Google) would not know who was your gaffer befor Kevin Keegan (was Ossie wasn't it without searching?). I remember some of the ****e we've had to put up with - even remember the Len Ashurst & (for my sins) Lawrie Mac as well. Denis smith and Malcolm Crosby along with Terry Butcher managing our side! You are not one of the guilty party but there are a lot of your fans (and I'm talking ones that were around long enough befor the keegan days) wouldn't know who was in charge. I'm almost 40 and watched Sunderland since 1981 - first game is a blur in my memory but it's still there.

    Crowd wise I personally think that SAFC and NUFC are the 2 best supported clubs in the country. A little relative success (cup finals and the like very occasionally) and we both still pull in crowds over 40k - I remember going to Stamford Bridge in the 90's with very few supporters in. Maine Road before Sheiking Stevens took over was not exactly brimming with sell out crowds - before silly investment from rich carefree owners they were smaller clubs than either of us. I would love to see how full their grounds were if they were like the two of us - wonder if they'd both break 40k?
     
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    1st picture isx the biggest one - why do you decide to celebrate to wind up an opponent rather than be happy in the moment of equallising - although he was offside
     
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    Oh aye mate, I agree that there are and have always been Mag strongholds in DH, but historically, across the whole area, Sunderland were ahead.

    It's standard though, success breeds growth and vice versa, it's normal that 'new' fans would sway towards the most successful team at the time, I myself have a Mag father in a Hylton Castle family of staunch red & whites. He was about 10 when they won the fairs cup, and my guess is that is what made him go wrong...
     
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    My Great Granda was red & white, my Granda was red & White, My Dad is red and white - me and my 2 brothers are red and white. My son & Daughter and their 7 cousins are also red and white - and this is the way it should be!!
     
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    Originally Posted by Gustavo's Gonads
    Oh aye mate, I agree that there are and have always been Mag strongholds in DH, but historically, across the whole area, Sunderland were ahead.

    It's standard though, success breeds growth and vice versa, it's normal that 'new' fans would sway towards the most successful team at the time, I myself have a Mag father in a Hylton Castle family of staunch red & whites. He was about 10 when they won the fairs cup, and my guess is that is what made him go wrong...



    Marcus **** happens most of my extended family are mags.this phenominum never occurred until the eighties began and of course the married into mag families. However my father and both grandfathers together with all my uncles on both sides were sunderland through and through. Unfortunately there no longer with us and I have to suffer the wrath of my mag extended family. <bubbly>
     
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  14. Joelinton's Right Foot

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    I think some of the changes are social too. At school in the West End of Newcastle (in the early 70s) everyone was a Newcastle fan bar one kid who was a Liverpool fan. The only football tops that I ever saw being worn that weren't black and white stripes were our away kits. Now you see all sorts because people started moving around a lot more from the 80s onwards. Up until then a huge chunk of people would work locally where there dad and granddad had worked. Once that changed people started moving all over the place and traditional areas began to mix up. Home ownership changed things too. You moved where there was an affordable house available, which meant moving further afield. The Sky broadcasting then resulted in people without such strong ties to one tradition or another seeing new teams and picking allegiances based on what they saw on TV instead of what they saw at home or at school.
     
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  15. Rick O'Shea

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    Bollocks.
     
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    Not belong before Joe gets the job again tee hee.
     
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