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That penalty and blatant cheating

Discussion in 'Stoke City' started by nickyb, Oct 19, 2014.

  1. swans-cartoonhead

    swans-cartoonhead Well-Known Member

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    Chico's histrionics were an embarrassment and Monk didn't get on with the guy (there was a very public spat between the two) and it was no surprise when Flores was shipped out! So it didn't hit a nerve, Chico was a loose cannon and we got rid! Moses is similarly embarrassing for you! But guess you are happy to put up with him! But agree with the assertion that Crouch got shirt pulled on several occasions - was plain to see and IMO he could well have got a penalty on one occasion!

    The Bony penalty was stonewall - the Moses dive wasn't - but Crouch could have been awarded one! I have no problem with the result - think Stoke deserved the 3 points - but am sick to death of 'simulation' - the FA have bleated on and on about coming down hard on offenders but the referees are still weak and show no desire to punish it! If there was the option of retrospective punishment then I believe 'simulation' would soon become a thing of the past !

    Have no problem with Stoke (although one of my recent posts was unfortunately posted after a number of glasses of wine) but my disgust at 'diving' still remains - yes, Rangel had a hand on Moses, but he is a big boy and if that is all it takes to knock him off his feet then there is something seriously wrong with him! He dived to win a penalty and I believe that he is not a dishonest player, but on that occasion he cheated!

    But is history now so good luck Potters for the rest of the season (apart from a certain game at the Liberty), Hughesy has got you playing some good football and think you will finish in the top half! So no hard feelings, just like my football to be played by players that don't try to con the weak officials! ;)
     
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  2. koskikabow

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    Thank goodness this thread is to close , and just so as we all know , Moses was fouled.
     
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  3. Smithers

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    .....and to further my point, if you play for certain clubs you are entitled to wrestle people in the box! Doesn't excuse Shawx but it's a fact #inconsistency
     
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  4. Pottermouth 328

    Pottermouth 328 Well-Known Member

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    So was Ivanovic by SMALLING NO PEN?

    He play's for Utd that's OK then. BALL ****S
     
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  5. koskikabow

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    My dear Smithers , it could be argued that the inconsistency of Ryan being penalised for man-handling . comes from the fact that he is penalised only a fraction of the number of times that he offends. I do accept your point that the SKY clubs players do seem to benefit in this matter just because of who their employers are. I try to ignore this , because if officials are biased , what is the point in watching.

    Because Ryan is our player , I love ? him ; he is a great stopper and good at interception , but there are aspects of his play that need changing for the better.
     
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  6. swans-cartoonhead

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    FA has not brought him to task - no punishment and no case to answer - seems that they have no problem with him calling Moses a cheat! That is because Moses went down so easily - ok, the boy may not be a cheat but on that occasion he was trying to con the ref - and the ref fell for it! Understand that you want to stand up for your player, but he cheated to win a penalty; so Rangel had a little hand on his shirt - man up Moses fer f**k sake, you are a professional athlete and someone touching your precious little body should not result in you diving like you have been shot in your cheating little face! You Potters can cry penalty for as long as you want, but a referee panel has ruled that Monk has no case to answer in 'cheatgate'! He has not been punished - so the FA has deemed his comments fair! Victor Moses dived - end of story! ;)
     
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  7. roofjack_22

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    To be fair , Monk was not punished , for what he said in the media, nothing to do with diving . And on the point of diving , whether he dove or not has nothing to do with the penalty.Moses should have been yellowed carded for diving and THEN the ref can deal with if its a penalty or not.
     
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  8. Pottermouth 328

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    Swans cartoon head
    Chico? Laudrups last game in charge was West Ham away. Monk was appointed interim Manager I believe before becoming permanent.
    On 8th Feb 2013 he took charge vs Cardiff at home and CHICO played.
    THIS despite (I have read your board more than once regarding the recent media regarding Victor Moses) BUT I never commented once. However I read along the lines of
    We know Chico cheated BUT he was no good at it? Point taken that many of your fans slated the lad. BUT
    The following week CHICO played vs you guessed it US and scored. I have no problem with that whatsoever.
    CHICO then played vs Liverpool away, Palace at home and was sent off. Missed the game vs W Brom ( I assume he was banned)? It goes on the following week played vs Everton away, Arsenal away, Norwich H, Hull away and Chelsea H where he was sent off.

    So, given that Monk publically said, anyone who DIVES CHEATS etc I will BAN them that's OK. He's not our Manager BUT as you have all debated on the Swans board about MOSES and CHICO and Chico's antics. MONK played Chico in 9 games between Feb and Mid April. It's well documented that CHICO had a habit of DIVING to win free kicks etc. IF you say MOSES DIVED so be it, it's your opinion, your right.

    HENCE is why MONK was called a HYPOCRITE by certain media (no not all some supported him) The fact is simply this.

    WHY when knowing that Chico had a habit of winning cheap free kicks, and more than once to your own fans admission. Did MONK continue to PLAY CHICO?
    I checked and I know he did, as I'm sure you know he played. Monk has principles good for him. <ok> But he called Moses a CHEAT did he ever call his own player a CHEAT? I guess not and even if he did, MONK played him until April.

    Finally, and apologies for the long post...
    I am actually pleased that Monk has escaped any punishment and as Mark Hughes has said Quote " It seem's that as Managers we can now call player's cheats and get away with it"
    I ONLY HOPE that a SWANSEA player next time his shirt his held/touched (you saw the photograph)? that they STAY on their FEET because, IF the don't. Stoke fans, t.v. the media will be all over Gary MONK like a RASH!

    Phew.... GOOD luck for the rest of the season <ok>
     
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  9. swans-cartoonhead

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    Chico was never a favourite of mine and I have continually taken issue with his cheating (yes - he was also a cheat) in the fanzine I have produced for the last 10 years. Yes, Chico played under Monk for the last part of last season and it was commented on that he seemed to stay on his feet more often and had seemed to have gotten rid of the embarrassing habit of acting like he'd had acid thrown in his face every time anyone got within a metre of his stupid pony tail! Myself, and many other Swans, are chuffed that he has gone; he had the talent to become a great player but his temperament and play acting let him down on too many occasions.

    Garry Monk has, as you have noted, publicly stated that cheating will not be tolerated - and I would be very disappointed if he didn't stick to this - have met the man on many occasions and I believe he WILL stick to it - if he doesn't we will certainly be on his back!

    Football is the greatest team sport bar none, and highly publicised instances such as this can hopefully serve to clean up the image of the game with those who are always looking for a stick to beat us with! Am sick to death of rugby fans constantly banging on about diving football nancy boys! The FA must back their words up - they say they are anti 'simulation', but the attitude of themselves and many ref's don't reflect that! Is also nice to see that 'wrestling' in the penalty area during corners and free kicks is also in the media spotlight - with a growing opinion that it must be stopped - guess you guys will be backing that given the treatment Crouch gets on a regular basis! ;)

    Despite what I have said in this and previous posts I am no Stoke hater! Would actually like you to do well because you are an honest grass roots club doing well in a division dominated by money - very similar to ourselves in a lot of ways! It just annoyed me watching Moses do his Tom Daly impression and then Hughes defending it. But rest assured that I would be of the same opinion if it was one of ours - have used the fanzine to take the piss out of the departed Mr Flores on many occasions.

    So no hard feelings, is nothing personal, just something of a crusade and an issue I am very passionate about! So will sign of by returning your sentiments - GOOD luck for the rest of the season <cheers>
     
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  10. Pottermouth 328

    Pottermouth 328 Well-Known Member

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    All points taken on board <ok>
    But the whole point of my post and it was in no way aimed at ANY Swansea fans was that having seen what Chico did (cheated got Andy Carroll SENT OFF) therefore just like (Moses went down and gained a pen) Chico Cheated and gave Swansea an unfair advantage W Ham down to 10 men. And it was cheating I just watched the video Carroll hardly touched Chico but pole axed is not even close to his reaction. Sam even laughed at him.

    We both agree that was CHEATING BUT Monk played Chico the following game. = Hypocrite.

    I bid you goodnight Swans cartoon head and wish you too all the best. <cheers>
     
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  11. Smithers

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    I don't think anyone is defending our player? We acknowledge that Shawx was right to be penalised and that although the Moses incident was technically a penalty it should never have been given. Our issue is with fundamental inconsistency of both the refs and the controlling body.
     
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    Pottermouth 328 Well-Known Member

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    AMEN to that Smither's <applause>
     
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  13. Taffvalerowdy

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    <cheers>..
     
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  14. swans-cartoonhead

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    Absolutely agree - all teams suffer from inconsistency from officials and hopefully incidents such as these will lead to changes in the way officials interpret, and rule on, incidents in games. Don't believe Monk was a hypocrite for fielding Chico (although I agree that he was a serial cheat) and don't believe Shawx and Moses are dirty players - but consistency from officials will go a long way to changing the game for the better! We have video screens at Swansea, as have many teams, and the technology is there to help the officials - why not have an official reviewing the coverage as it happens and advising refs via headsets - don't believe the 'it will slow the game down bollox!' If the technology is there, why not use it?!!
     
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  15. Smithers

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    I don't like managers being censored either, or being punished for stating the bloody obvious - which is normally that the ref has made a critical error.
     
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