What happens if no one wants michu?

To have had offers suggests he is not injured and that he'd prefer to hold a grudge and milk us for a payoff rather than ply his trade and play football.

Our talisman has become our jinx, excuse the pun, it would seem. If this is the case then I'd cut all ties with immediate effect and end it, now.

We are Swansea City with bigger things than an old boy to think about. I'd dump him immediately and pay him off and concentrate on Swansea City and our future we've got an assault on a premier league to plan. No more playing with Michwho, he's gone.

 

I wouldn't be in a hurry to pay him off, the longer he doesn't play football the harder it will get to regain his form, he's only hurting himself and I was reading a tweet last night from one of the Celtic back room staff, who confirmed that Celtic did indeed go in for Michu, but he rejected it, by saying he had no ambitions to play in Scotland, so he clearly is in no hurry to play football, so why be in a hurry to pay him a wind fall?....

 

Lots of innuendo's flying around re Michu,and his so called refusal to play/go where he doesn't want to go.
Tweets,eh,well who in their right mind places any credence on those?
Why should he have to go to Scotland?
That's assuming Celtic wanted him.
Why would Celtic take the risk of signing him?
There's so much uncorroborated bad news about Michu,I doubt anyone will want to sign him.

The fact is that no one on this forum knows the reality of what is happening with regards Michu,so why continue with all the pointless speculation.
The Club can put this to bed by paying him off.
He deserves a little consideration for the herculean efforts he put in when he first arrived.
Give the man a break. This is not debate any more,it's persecution.

 

Persecution? Bit over the top don't you think? I don't impute bad motives of others statement of interest in all things footy, yes you need a measure of common sense in analysing what you read, and in so doing I see so many flaws in your last post, and in that I say your wrong in saying this is not a debate anymore, no one is being malicious on here so what's your problem?

 

My post was a general one,and did not impute any bad motives re you in particular.
This thread has over 160 posts,enough to suggest the subject is being done to death,especially as no one knows the truth.
It,s not a debate,more a lynching.
My opinion,of course,others are always available.

 

"Swansea City Football Club, gave it all to Michu because without the clubs belief in him, he'd be a no no. Whatever Axe he has to grind against our club, has now become a blunt instrument; Surely it's time for him to MAN-UP and start to be counted for his actions, if your happy by taking wages for doing absolutely Nothing, then the problem is Michu's, I'm alright JACKS, sod you SCFC, scenario:

Hard working fans put aside money by supporting this club, week in week out, year in year out, whilst Michu lords it by doing nothing. Surely he cannot be proud of this stand off? because quite frankly I personally think it stinks to high heaven. We now have hard working players here who are PROUD, to be a Swan, that'll do for me because they are committed to each and every game plan, of which I really am in AWE to them and "THANK THEM" most sincerely for their loyalty shown to this club and fans. Cometh the hour cometh the MAN, which they've proven thus far. The ball lays firmly in Michu's part of the field, all he needs do is kick the bleeding thing; C'monuSwansssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssYEEHAA" - Abertawejack/EP

 

I didn't take your post as particularly aimed at me Vetch, but surely by such post your putting the dampers on debate?

 

Your first paragraph sums it up nicely. You see Michu as the villain,yet you cannot know anything about what has really gone within the structure of the Club.
Your stance would appear to be based solely on gossip/tweets,etc.
That's not debate,that's lynch mentality.
Michu is a human being,albeit possibly a flawed one,but aren't we all.

 

I have no power to put dampers on any debate,but am flattered that you think I can.

The Michu saga,sad as it is,can be dealt with,so I wonder what is preventing the Club from doing so. Vindictiveness,perhaps.

 

Hope it gets sorted soon one way or another just to stop all the whinging on here

 

HERE,HERE.

Some people need targets to kick,and Michu currently tops the table. Tiendalli has gone,so he can't be shot at any more.
Still,Dyer has set himself up nicely,so they can feast on him now.

 

But that means we are being belligerent with this guy's football career, if we are to be seen as the concerned football club it won't happen if we are the ones hindering his career.

As for Celtic, if what they are offering is not a right fit for him then why should he have to accept it to please the Swans? My thinking is that he knows what he wants, and that is not a sub standard level of football in Scotland. It's barely league one up there.

 

I have never heard such tripe in all my life......Look the club is not going to keep paying him £40k a week if they think he is crocked so they must know he is fit to play, Michu has to come back to the club anyway for assessment as we wont keep paying him because he is our player. Nobody is stopping him from reporting back and thats a fact even though he is not part of monks plans, He just cant say i want paying but i dont want to come back, What idiot will agree with that? There are many players that are not in monks plans training with the swans so why is he so special...the truth is he is not and whether he plays for the swans or not he has a contract to honour and he is not bigger than the club. We can order him back and he must come back even if he is fit or crocked as we are the ones that pay his wages...so therefor like monk states we can terminate his contract if he dont come back.......The club is trying its best not to do this but it is getting very close now that they will have no choice, we are not going to pay him over £2m for nothing, no club would...

 

Speculation is part of the fun of the forum. Nothing wrong with it, as long as it's identified as speculation and not fact. Don't be such a party-pooper.

The Michu situation is quite unique (I think) and is highly likely to cause a lot of speculation. Since neither party (Michu/club) is giving us anything to go on, speculation is all that's left.

By and large, there is no lynch mob on here towards Michu. He was phenomenal for a season and a bit and no-one will forget it.

I have this vision of Michu getting hold of a kalashnikov and taking out the whole of the Swansea squad and then you coming on here saying "Some people need targets to kick. Michu was just letting off steam. I will only remember him with fondness and great pride".

 

I'm with Vetch on this one, I can't see what this guy has done to merit half the comments here. He wanted away from the Swans so went on loan last season, that didn't work for him because imo he had an injury going there, so didn't get the game time or the chance to flourish there.

Now he's been told that he is not part of the swans plans and to find another club, the problem as I see it is that he's entitled to either to be paid off, or to continue on gardening leave picking up his salary. The fact is his moving on is restricted as nobody wants to take a chance on him.

The wage demands are hindering his chances, and I think part of the reason is the club is refusing to pick up the tab, if they don't then he doesn't go to that club. Celtic were probably offering him less than £20k a week, why should he take that offer or similar when he gets £40k with us?

Would you take a 50% pay cut to go elsewhere when you have no need for at least a year?

 

Would you take a 50% pay cut to go elsewhere when you have no need for at least a year?

No i wouldn't........So he is saying he would rather stay with Swansea So where is he? If i never reported back i would be sacked......He should have come back and put in a transfer request and did things properly, he could have trained with the club and waited for a club to come in for him and there would have been many that way, But the way he is throwing his toys out of his pram has put a lot of potential clubs off........He would have had a new club by now if he wasn't so big headed and listened to much to his agent....He will eventually lose everything and that is only a short time away.....

 

Michu hasn't returned back because he's been told not to return back. Why would Monk want him around the place? He's not going to play and will probably be a big distraction.There's no point in making Michu return just out of spite.

 

That quote is a post from 'AbertaweJack' in the EP, not from myself, I put it up to entertain you, clearly you enjoyed...............

 

'Would you take a 50% pay cut to go elsewhere when you have no need for at least a year?' - Jager

No and why should the club pay up his contract in one lump sum? he agreed to the contract and if no one can afford him currently, then he is at the mercy of market forces like any contractor, it's got nothing to do with the club being belligerent, it's simply a business contract that they are abiding by it's terms, why should the club go out of their way to prosper a want away player? All this is of his own making, too many on here are trying to suggest the club are at fault.





And the other point is this, what is it that the 50% represents? If it represents £20,000 per week and a chance to resurrect my career or business then I would be a fool not to take the cut, it happens every day of the week, market forces and all that go up and down, Michu is no longer worth £40,000 per week, and if he is not being amicable in financial discussions or reasonable then who's fault is that? Have we been in such a situation before with a player? No so lets cut the club some slack please..............

 

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I've shouted loudly for an opposing view Libby but I have yet to read any, not one, that offers a counter argument and adds ideas to the debate, it appears your no different.

It's obvious you have a different view but its disappointing that you choose not to share them. You don't like whats being said about Michu yet you don't say why you disagree. In fact the only response you offer is to tell every one to SHUT UP. Speculation is an amalgam of information with added thoughts and ideas. When added you get a theory which can then be tested, in our case, through debate.

Speculation is a vital ingredient in any debate, without it then a debate becomes a lecture where information is known, regurgitated, ignored or learned. Its most certainly is not an excuse to not have a debate. Its a meeting of minds thing Lib and if you believe we are not having a debate why bother to comment?

Why do you think Michu is being persecuted? if you really think so then defend him

Why do you think people should 'give the man a break'? Tell us why you think he deserves one.

You say Michu also deserves consideration for his 'herculean' efforts, so tell us why.

This is why I don't think he deserves any.

Michu played well for a short period of time only, in which time he was handsomely paid to score goals, just like Bony.

Michu left us for Spain soon after Bonys arrival, for medical treatment. There he allegedly underwent two operations, but stayed there after recovery, it was reported the he was was fit. When he returned he informed Monk that he wanted out and a loan was granted. He went to Roma and never came back.

Michu has worn a Swansea shirt for approx HALF the time he's been a Swansea asset. He was 'herculean' as you say Lib for about 60-70% of the time he played for us. Therefor, simple mathematics, Michu has been good in a Swansea shirt for less than half the time he's been contracted to us. Michu has no 'consideration' left. He's been handsomely paid for three seasons but has only performed for us for 2/3 of one of them.

In my book that waters down any consideration due to Michu to levels so dilute a homeopath would be hard pressed to find any.

So Lib, that's what I think and why. I ask you for a more information and less recrimination in your reply so we can add your views and opinions to the melting pot of the debate.

Welcome back to the debate regardless Libby, whether its founded on speculation or hard boiled facts, its still a debate