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Off Topic Impact of Brexit on Football

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  1. Canary Rob

    Canary Rob Well-Known Member

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    Spot on. And the link to the BBC article.

    Basically, no-one thought Leave would win, not even the Leave leaders. This meant that they have promised the world. They cannot deliver on a single promise they have made other than Brexit itself, which of course, without the other promises, is a political impossibility.

    It's actually quite amusing watching them try to resolve this without losing face completely. We will essentially end up either doing "Brexit-lite" with sops like those you suggest or not at all because a new government cancels it.
     
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    It's been reported that the majority of those who voted to leave are 'senior citizens' and I know VERY few who aren't comfortably off and like jetting off around the world on more than one holiday a year.
    As aviation fuel is priced in dollars, it's a consequence that flight prices/holidays will inevitably rise and sterling (GBP) will buy less foreign currency and so the cost of accommodation, food and alcohol when they're off on their jollies is going to cost them a lot more!! <doh>
     
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    Not really, some of the economic data and recent movements in the market would suggest the opposite.
     
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  4. carrowcanario

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    We'll that's not quiet right because even if the best we could achieve was a Norway style relationship with the EU the leave campaigners would still achieve some of their aims, Not that all the things you would like to believe were Leave promises were promises at all. If you enter a negotiation you always say you want a better deal than you are actually willing to accept. Anyway over 17m people supported leave for a whole host of reasons and I'm sure if you got a 100 of them in a room you wouldn't get a consensus of what they wanted to achieve from a leave vote. Same with the remain side.
     
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    And clearly because there old they never considered this. It's only the young university educated type folk that generally can't be arsed to vote that really know whats going. Of course if they don't go on holiday as much the'll spend more time spending their money in the UK. Lets stop everyone over 50 from voting cause then we're get the right decision.
     
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  6. carrowcanario

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    Not all doom & gloom

    Dixons Carphone chief executive has said the company expects to find "opportunities for additional growth" in the wake of Brexit as it announced a 17% jump in profits.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36659680
     
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  7. JM Fan

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    Excellent carrow!!! <applause>
     
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  8. KIO

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    • IF My monthly mortgage payments go up a bit
    • IF I have to pay a few quid more for my weekly shop
    • IF My fuel bills rise
    • IF It costs me another tenner or so a week to fill up my car
    • IF It's going to cost me more to take a holiday abroad
    • IF I have to accept a reduced pension when I retire
    • IF The value of my house goes down
    (Take note that they are all IF's)

    I would STILL have voted to leave beacause I voted for democracy, for my Country's sovereignty and for us to eventually have controlled immigration to these shores. That is what Mr Cameron and the Remain side failed to grasp, most of us that voted out were prepared to accept a bit of hardship if necessary in the short term. As was stressed by the Leave campaign (which is conveniently glossed over all the time by the Remainers), immigration is a good thing for this country when it is controlled and when it is needed, not when all and sundry from the whole of Europe can come here when they can really offer nothing that we don't already have, putting a strain on Public Services, housing, schools, GP's, dentists etc.

    I do NOT consider myself a rascist for wanting this (as most Remainers wish to label us), I just want to be able to get a Doctor's appointment without waiting a fortnight, for my grandchildren to get a place in the school of their choice, for the pressure to be taken off our NHS etc. etc. etc. My personal opinion and the opinion of many millions more, is that our Public Services have reached breaking point and if the EU won't take steps to rectify it, so be it we must do so ourselves and that's what we've voted for. Incidently the most rascist remark I have heard since the referendum result was from a work colleague who stated that; "All those Brexiteers will soon be complaining when there's no Eastern European's to pick their bloody strawberries" <doh>
     
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  9. NORKIE

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    Hi bors, the sun is still shining, the weather is still changeable, the FA's football team disappoint as usual, Wimbledon is in progress, I'm still playing crib and dominoes, speculators are doing their usual, trying to manipulate the market to make more money, in short life goes on.

    I am one of those Braveheart mention, taking holidays abroad. What will it mean to me in the future. Nothing really, at my age I intend to spend the remainder of my life enjoying it. I am quite prepared to accept rising costs, nothing has changed in that respect really because costs have been rising ever since I first went abroad on holiday.

    There has been a lot of criticism regarding senior citizens voting out. What has not been taken into account is that it was us senior citizens who had to overcome the difficult days after WW2 and get this country back on its feet. We didn't moan and complain, we got on with the job of securing the future for the next generations. If we hadn't done that where do you younger citizens think you would be today ?
     
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    Yes people seem to bangon about how the young will have to live with our decisions. By our, I mean the; old, racist, zenophobic, thick and any other label they wish to apply. What they forget is that the young have not had the benefit of experience in the working world, or in life in general. We older folk may have had these supposed advantages of memebership of the EU and free movement, thing is we have still looked at that weighed it up and thought, thanks but no thanks. The way things are going i will have ~30 years more working to do, with 20 odd behind me. Does that make my opinion less valid than someone with 50+ years ahead of them? I don't have as much experience as someone who is 70 or 80 who has seen the full horrors and/or benefits of the EU project so why should I presume to know as much as they?
    Lets not forget, the youth with there limited experience of work and the world, are likely to be voting purely for their future on the limited knowledge they have gained, that is assuming they can even be bothered to vote in the first place. The older generations will not only be voting for themselves with all their garnered experience but they will be thinking about their children or their grand children. I think perhaps the youth shouldn't get to vote, as they have such limited experience on which to call.

    Bah!
     
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    This is turning out to be an excellent thread, with all contributors able to freely express their views and no one is 'throwing their toys out of the pram!!!' <applause>

    I can see where your coming from KIO, but I fear that some of your wishes may not come to fruition, as if you limit the immigration, you will inadvertently limit the number of doctors and perhaps even teachers in future, so you may have to wait longer for your doctor's appointment and classes may be even larger or even not enough teachers to keep all the schools open!!!!
     
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    I really don't know how many times myself and other 'outers' have to keep on saying this but it's about controlled immigration from the world over. We need doctors? we welcome those from overseas with open arms, We need Nurses? ditto, it's really not rocket science. What we don't need is EU citizens coming here and accepting a lower wage to do everyday jobs that's what drives wages down.
     
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  13. JKCanary

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    I'd be interested to hear the views of Leave voters (who have cited 'soverignty' as a reason for leaving - KIO?) on what the UK's 'sovereignty' really means to them, and what exactly their definition of 'sovereignty' is in terms of the modern day UK.
     
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  14. KIO

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    British laws for British people with our Government being held accountable to no-one #simples
     
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  15. JKCanary

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    We have always had those things. Even being a member of the EU doesn't in actuality take those away from us.

    The sovereignty argument for Brexit is frankly a myth. As a member of the EU, Britain maintains its sovereign power in areas of importance to its citizens. But, by pooling certain aspects of its ‘absolute’ sovereignty, Britain’s ‘effective’ sovereignty—its ability to control the forces that shape the fortunes of its citizens—is strengthened, not diminished.

    I would suggest anyone maintaining the 'sovereignty argument' for leaving familiarises themselves with 'soft power', and how the UK will have a great deal less of it outside of the EU.
     
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    Not sure I can really answer you question sufficiently JK without writing an essay, which you'll be please to know I'm not about to do. But this definition kind of covers it for me in general terms although I accept it falls well short of a thorough answer..

    Absolute, supreme and ultimate dominion and authority of a political state subject to no higher power, expressed within its territory in full self-government and in complete freedom from any outside influence.
     
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  17. JKCanary

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    I was hoping someone would post the dictionary definition, as it is more applicable to 19th Century politics that that of the modern day ;)
     
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  18. KIO

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    If you're so in love with the EU JK why don't you just up sticks while you can and emigrate ;)
     
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  19. Canary Rob

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    If we achieve a Norway style relationship, that would be excellent news.

    We would have:
    (I) full access to the EU internal market
    (ii) passporting rights
    (iii) consultation rights

    However, we would also pay into the EU budget (roughly the same per head as the current amount). We would also have to accept full freedom of movement. We would lose out on our Member State status, which would mean we no longer would have the ability to take part in proposing, forming or approving legislation. We would also lose our veto over EU legislation. We would, nonetheless, be bound by virtually all legislation.


    In other words, as I already said, if we took the Norway route, the only thing that Leave would have achieved is no longer being a member state. We would actually be in a substantially worse position than we are now (without any voting rights, veto, etc) all for the sake of "no longer being in the EU". We would basically still have "non-British laws" (whatever the hell they are) but would no longer have any say over them. But that's fine I guess, because we could claim we are "no longer in the EU".

    Frankly, that's the way we are going. I will be delighted with this, because the alternative is economic oblivion. But it doesn't take an IQ of more than 75 to work out that we were a hell of lot better off before, simply by being able to actually take part in the legislation that will bind us anyway.
     
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    Held accountable to no-one?

    Are you sure?
     
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