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Barce's final bid

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by dylanthomas, Aug 2, 2011.

  1. The Magic Man

    The Magic Man Well-Known Member

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    This season won't be Wengers last no matter where we finish, unless he chooses to leave. Quite rightly, there is no way the board will sack after 1 bad season.
     
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  2. goonercymraeg

    goonercymraeg Amnesia
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    i remember going in the 70's when there were less than 20,000 in the ground,on a couple of occasions we were lucky not to get relegated.I totally agree that people that only remember Wenger don't know how lucky they are <ok>
     
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  3. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    You really don't see that the prem has got more competitive over the years? Before it was just Manure, Chelsea and Arsenal competing, this season it will be manure, citeh, chelsea, arsenal, liverpool and spurs all vying for the top 4 spots! They can beat each other on any given day too. Too many good players are around nowadays and making it much more difficult than before.

    No more 4th position freebees for us!
     
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  4. This coming year though, Pool look much stronger. I really wish Rafa was still around since as I've said before, his idiosyncrasies often result in a win for us :) If City maintain their form, I would hate to see us having to challenge only for fourth place but unless changes are made I'm afraid it's going to be a case of same old, same old. Even if we have a good start and get to lead by January, it will all be undone from February onwards. For this not to happen, we need a management that gets a grip on the situation.
     
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  5. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    @lazarus2000 - actually it used to be just Arsenal and Utd competing for the top really lol, then along came cheslea and now along have come city. Last season though tottenhasm and pool were very average and clearly nowhere near the top teams. Yes i understand Liverpool are looking a better side but i just don't buy into the idea that we will drop from the top 4. It has been said every year and still hasn't happened. The league is definately more competitive but Arsenal are not in the sort of trouble people make them out to be.

    @RVB

    Yeh Rafa beign around would be handy :p

    I think the top 4 will be a little different this year though. It will be City, Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal, but i think the order will shock people.
     
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  6. I like and wish your optimism to come true but for that to happen, things have to happen at Arsenal. We really do need the promised changes. If we buy no one else and do not usher in tactical changes we will come up more than a point short on the table and more than a penny missing at the bank since in under a year's time it is likely that unless he is sold before, Samir Nasri will leave for nothing. That is, unless your optimism and more come true.......
     
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  7. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    I know i'm always pretty optimistic :p

    I also have a lot of faith in Wenger and the current Team. We were genuine contenders last year until our immaturity showed through. I think AW will bring in atleast one more player, possibly more and i do think he realises our weaknesses.

    Really though we should just sign Kaka and our problems are solved :p
     
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  8. Kaka?


    The Kaka?


    LOL pal

    That would be the sum of the next three seasons of acquisition at Arsenal!!!
     
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  9. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    Well supposedly he's available for around £25 million and i'd imagine a certain % of his high wages would be covered by increased shirt sales and publicity. Supposedly Chelsea have been sniffing around him.

    I realise it is completely unrealistic as it would be completely out of character for the club to buy him, but it is the sort of signing we should be looking at making - one which shows ambition, one which brings a truely world class player into the club and one that will shut all the fans up :p
     
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  10. Shut the critics and Lex up too I imagine <laugh>


    Would his salary demands break the team I wonder?
     
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  11. King Shergar

    King Shergar Well-Known Member

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    You should demand atleast 45 million, he is one of the best players in the world. Once he goes to a big club, he will become an even more prolific goal scorer and goal provider. I'm sure Mourinho or even SAF would be interested in him for more than 37 million, afterall look how much SAF is roumered to want to pay for Sniejder and Fabregas is younger. Barca are just trying to get him on the cheap, what Arsenal need to do is say if you won't match our asking price then we will offer him to Man United and Real Madrid, for the asking price.

    You can't keep the player, as I think it's blatantly obvious he doesn't want to be at Arsenal, but be fare to him guys, it's only natural that a guy of his talent would want to move to a big club and play alongside other world class players at some stage of his career. Let him go, and use the money to buy 3 or 4 new players who want to play for you :biggrin:
     
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  12. Hello King

    Welcome to ArsenalLand ;)

    Interesting idea but I doubt if Barca would fall for that one since it is very clear that Cesc is only likely to exit Arsenal for his old club. Besides, Arsene would never sell him to an EPL club and Barca knows that too. Thing is if we up the price, this thing will drag on forever and a day which probably wouldn't serve anyone

    You're right in that it would be shortsighted to keep someone who wants out and I quite agree that the funds from the sale could be successfully utilised in bringing in willing bodies.
     
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  13. Mantis

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    Arsenal are a big club :) :) Cesc will stay at Arsenal, and will leave when the club decides that Barca have met the valuation. Until then he is our player.
     
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  14. As I'm sure you know, there is always room for negotiation in business. Just as Arsenal attempt to bargain down Everton's valuation of Phil Jagielka, so Barca will do the same with Cesc. Then there is the case of taking the money now or waiting, Heaven knows how long. Hence if Arsenal value Cesc at 40m now and Barca offer 35m, I dare say it's a pretty acceptable bid. Some of us may baulk at it but it's up to Arsenal if they feel happy enough to accept it.

    Then there is the prospect that no matter how much some of us may wish to keep Cesc, he in his heart of hearts wants to go. It could possibly get to the point that with his patience exhausted, he puts in a request for a transfer.

    If we let him leave now, assuming all connected parties are in accord, it may be the best route all round.
     
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  15. Mantis

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    I see your point. I also think that it's not really a question of money. Barca have the money as they have just purchased Sanchez. Why could they not have spent the money on Fabregas if they needed him that badly? The point is, they don't need him. I feel Cesc knows this and as much as he wants to go back to Barcelona I can't see a player of his quality warming the bench for a few seasons or becoming a bit part player. Obviously if Barca offered enough now, I feel Arsenal would take it. As things stand what I would do would be to sell Nasri to City, buy Mata and keep Cesc for another season.
     
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  16. Glasgow_Gooner

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    Well, we could accept the proposed 35 million but only if the deal is done in January.

    In reality if Cesc is willing to make his own financial contribution to make the deal happen....We need to accept, we will lose our captain and best player...it sucks and the conduct of Barca only inflames feelings of bitterness and resentment but we will either need to start supporting Barca or force ourselves to seriously contemplate life without him...not easy, How do you replace a fully fit Fabregas??

    I have no complaints with his conduct throughout this tiresome saga. He has been respectful to the club with every statement even when prompted to otherwise by hungry journalists and a few dim witted international team mates. For that I can only wish him well.
     
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  17. I concur and like you would prefer to have Mata and Cesc in the club for 2011/2012. Then we'll see what's on the table. Who knows what a year will bring?

    If however Arsenal do accept Barca's offer then it's farewell time and that would really be sad. Life goes on though and let's just hope the best pieces are in place for next week.
     
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  18. Kyle?

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    If he wants to go we should let him go. He'll come crying back to us in a few years when he doesn't make the starting lineup at barca, because they are too stupid to see that sergio busquets is a complete waste of time and space, and xavi is getting on a bit now.
     
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  19. Kyle?

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    Yes. We've already got nasri complaining about not being paid enough, Kaka coming in will make things much worse.
     
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  20. Here and especially back in the days of the old BBC forum, I had highlighted Gazidis's involvement in the transfers and his singularly accountants style approach to managing Arsenal. Thank you for pointing this out again and I hope more fans get to understand IG's role in the club since it is not always Arsene's fault that transfers do not happen as we would all like them. When Gazidis was interviewed by Radio 5 Live last season, he stuck solidly to his POV alluding that winning was not this first priority.
     
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