Andy Carroll Red Card

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  1. MarchwoodSaint

    MarchwoodSaint Active Member

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    Don't you think that West ham are trying it on a bit here!
    So they want to take legal action I guess in an attempt to get the decision reversed??
    If they did and Carroll scored a hat full of goals in their next 3 games (there goes a flying pig!), at the end of the season this could result in them staying up sending one of their relegation rivals down.

    So, the question is, should all the other relegation rivals also take leagal action now to counter that being proposed by Wet Spam as in their eyes they could unjustly be relegated?
    What a precedent this could set - countless legal battles every season over every debated referee decision!!!!
     
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  2. Onionman

    Onionman Well-Known Member

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    They have form in terms of staying up using fair means and foul. Look at the settlement with Sheffield United over their cheating in 2007 by playing Tevez: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/mar/16/sheffield-united-west-ham-carlos-tevez . Wet Spam will do anything to stay up using any technique available to them (apart from playing attractive, flowing football better than their opponents which they used to use in the days when they were less cynical).

    Vin
     
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  3. Clem Fandango

    Clem Fandango Well-Known Member

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    Nothing will come if it. He'll serve his suspension and life will carry on ad normal. Thankfully he's suspended for the game vs us, happy days!
     
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  4. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    After paying Fat Sams salary I'm surprised they can afford the legal fees!
     
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  5. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    They have been encouraged in this by pundits saying it's not a red card because he didn't knock his opponents head off (and he's a cheating foreigner anyway). It was potentially dangerous and deliberate...a red card according to the law. This is a dangerous precedent, because clubs sign up to the FA rules. These rules are sometimes outside the laws applied to businesses in general...this is a can of worms. Relegated clubs could start complaining at the end of the season about something that happened in November.
     
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  6. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    Have they actually:

    a. appealed; or
    b. taken legal action?

    Or is this just media nonsense?
     
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  7. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    It's an act of desperation.

    And Shakespeare was right about lawyers.
     
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  8. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    I think it was very harsh, however IF the FA now overturn the decision, then they leave themselves wide open to all sorts of silliness going forward. People will appeal and appeal everything. Paul Lambert is quoted as saying that a dangerous precedent would be set and he is right. Sometimes in life, decisions go against you and West Ham should accept the rules and move on. I say this in the same way we should have accepted the decisions over the Lallana/Everton thing.
     
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  9. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Carroll is important to them, but they are acting as if he is the only player they have. They should ask him why he's let them down. Dummy and pram leaps to mind.
     
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  10. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    They do seem to be putting all their eggs in this particular basket. Of course, it doesn't help that Nolan's twice the player he normally is when Carrol's on the pitch with him. I understand their frustration, having waited so long to get their battering ram back. But the referee made a decision, the FA backed him up, and that should bev the end of it. In fact I'm sure it is the end of it.
     
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  11. Number 1 Jasper

    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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    If the Appeal is successful this time , fair enough , but it will open a can of works for the future , and for that reason I think the red card will stand .
     
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  12. Qwerty

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    It seems like they've sort of "reappealed". I don't know whether the FA will entertain it at all or tell them to sling it. At the appeal West Ham have to persuade the panel that the red card was wrong, perhaps they buggered it up and went in steaming on about how Carroll was a good player/nice guy and how Flores milked it etc - none of which is relevant. Anyway we'll see, if they let him off it will look more than a little bit weak.
     
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  13. Number 1 Jasper

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  14. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    Unbelievable.
     
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  15. It’s Only A Game

    It’s Only A Game Well-Known Member

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    The threat of legal action has got the FA to reconsider. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26081791
    Looks like Sir Trev has had a word.
     
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  16. Dark Lord SFC

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    Its amazing that West Ham are pinning their entire hopes of staying in the premiership on Andy Carroll who's goal ration over his career (inc Championship season with Newcastle) is only 1 goal in every 3.6 appearances. How is that going to keep them up.
    Having seen him live now on a good number of times I think he is a one dimensional donkey. He is a bully given a chance but Saints have generally speaking battered him (especially Jos H) with him spending most of the time sat on his backside complaining to the ref or in the refs face complaining that he is being bullied.
    Personally I don't care whether he plays against us or not...he aint that good and we might have Lovren back by then as well
     
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  17. It’s Only A Game

    It’s Only A Game Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but I've heard West Ham have appealed against the early return of Lovren saying that as we said he was out for at least 6 weeks we should be made to stick to it.
     
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  18. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    Me neither, Dark Lord, but how would you feel as a Villa, Norwich, Cardiff, Fulham or West Brom fan if he plays in and scores or creates goals in the next three games?
     
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  19. pass the football

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    Suggests quite strongly that West Ham have a good case, I'd have thought.

    As for the question of Carrol's quality as a player, West Ham are demonstrably a much better team with him in it.

    7 of their 22 points (about a third) have come in the 4 games that Carroll has played in (a sixth).
     
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  20. FdsaJoe

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    I really don't understand this at all; on first viewing of the incident, Flores was all over Carroll, and then Carroll very intentionally tried to hit Flores and mostly missed. Surely the intention to hit an opponent is a red card? I don't even see that it's harsh, Flores definitely made a meal of it but Carroll still should have been sent off, and West Ham's desperate attempts to get him back smacks of a real lack of class to me.
     
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