Are we now a boring team?

Rich on their respective leagues. If they can buy their rivals players then don't need to be super rich, just enough to strengthen their own team and weaken their opponents in one move.

 

You need to put it into context of their league. Celtic and Porto aren't rich at the side of Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd or ourseleves but they are far richer than their rivals in their respective leagues.

PS...I've no idea how rich Juve are

 

Need to get out of this mentality that we cannot compete and act as if Rodgers has his hands tied.

 

FFS

but also thanks for backing up my point

 

Fair point - but even then, they're still able to compete at a very high level against the richer teams in the CL. As proven by seeing the likes of dortmund, at madrid and juve in the CL final in recent years.

As I mentioned in recent post, we need to stop making excuses for ourselves as to why we continue to fall short, and stop feeling sorry for ourselves.

 

No ones saying we can't compete! We competed 2 years ago... But we had a **** defence!

you want us to compete and be free flowing going forward while solid at the back. What I'm saying is that the reality is, very little teams manage to find that balance and if they do, they don't longer than a season or two before the big clubs tear them apart. Only the big teams in the league manage to find that balance on a consistent basis

 

Cup compettiin. Bradford and she'd United got to semis recently against prem clubs.... Plus if your winning in your league it's far easier to do well in Europe as confidence and winning mentality helps

 

No, the reality is that it HAS been proven by clubs who operate on a smaller scale than us but you just want to accept defeat.

And whilst they may not win the title consistently, they still compete. We're not even competing bar one season where we had the 3rd best player in the world in our team.

 

Bar the season they won it, Dortmund and Atletico don't compete for the title. They finish near, but they don't put in a real challenge.

 

# speaking a savile pervert

 

Finishing 2nd/3rd against big clubs who have much more money, with smaller squads and a much smaller budget, and juggling Champions League football - I'd certainly take that!

Rodgers has spent over £300m and has not yet shown any indication that he understands or can handle European football, even at Europa League level. He's failed each time we've been involved.

Rodgers has blamed everyone and everything for our lack of success but he's the biggest reason.

 

Finishing 3rd in a league with 2 standout teams (Spain) or finishing 2nd in a league with 1 standout team (Germany) is the same as finishing 5th in a league with 4 standout teams (England)

 

So... Are we boring then?

 

Well if you'd put a poll on the OP then we'd know

 

Rodgers team scored 71 and 102 goals in his first and second season. No one is saying his hands are tied but to win the premier league is not easy. Look at how many were quick to write off citehs chances.

Continously investing in the team without selling your best players would help but unfortunately we have sold Suarez and Sterling respectively.

Wenger is still not any closer to winning the league close to 10 yrs and yet a novice like Rodgers is expected to.

The reality is in both dortmund and atleticos cases the managers were given time so it would be hypocritical to praise their success without affording Rodgers the time.

 

No one is saying we can't compete, we spend a lot of bloody money. the argument is, its not as easy you some might suggest.

 

If you're going to class Arsenal and United/Liverpool as amongst the standout teams in England, then you have to class At Madrid, Valencia, Sevilla, Wolfsberg, Leverkusen just the same.

 

This is the thing - it's about winning the league (not just yet). It was about showing progress and getting us into the top 4 and staying there.

Whilst Wenger has not been close to winning the title, he has ensured that Arsenal are still in the top 4 each year, despite losing top players every year, limited budget due to the new stadium. And that was on a positive net spend (prior to the last year or so).

Klopp and Simeone both achieved progress and success within their first 3 years at the club and have been consistent ever since (bar Klopp's final season).

 

It's not easy when you have a manager who sets the team up in the wrong way, spends a sh*t load on players who a) he doesn't even need and b) aren't good enough, at odds with the recruitment team, throws youngsters under the bus and doesn't know how to coach a defence or midfield properly.

As I say, it's excuses - fans are making excuses for the lack of progress. I'm not even talking about success yet, I'm talking strictly progress. 3 years in, £300m spent and there is no clear philosophy, no style, no identity to our play.

It's quite a passionate topic but I hope I'm not coming on too strong or offensive.