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  1. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    The police investigated and found he didn’t break the rules, yet you claim he did. Mmm I didn’t realise you knew the circumstances in detail, and are able to judge better than the police, they are looking into it again due to more evidence, but are yet to make a judgement. He’s stated if they change their ruling he’ll step down. What’s your problem?

    By the way Boris apologised to the public when the police found him guilty of breaking the rules, but refused to step down. Kier as yet hasn’t been found guilty, but has said he’ll step down if they do. Not really comparable is it?.

    Thats not even discussing Kier is being investigated for one incident, Boris on the other hand, has already overseen a culture in No 10, that’s seen 50 FPN’s so far, there’s still many more being investigated, of which he himself is implicated in up to another dozen incidents. The man is a complete liability, to try to compare all that to Kier is plain ridiculous.
     
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  2. wizered

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    I've got no problem I'm just giving an opinion, just like you often do, you don't happen to agree with it, that is life, I just don't like false heroes.
     
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    False hero's :emoticon-0148-yes: its said damned if you do damned if you dont. Well starmer being an ex legal person knows how to manipulate that!!! He may realise there is no hope of him being a pm in the near future, even with the votes at the last elections last week so offers himself up as a sacrificial lamb [ it is lambing season at the mo! ] Guilty= he resigns .....not guilty he can claim a pocket full 0f political points ......... opportunism!
     
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    Neither do i
     
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    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    The scaremongering at the height of the pandemic, confirms to me it was all mainly BS with those dishing out the rules and the opposition backing those rules had no fear of the virus what so ever....if it had been as bad as we were all led to believe, there would not have been any gatherings or parties full stop..
     
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    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Wasn’t Boris hospitalised & on the ICU unit with it, near to needing to use a ventilator apparently?
     
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    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    The problem with Labour supporters they never seek the truth only what the guardian and BBC want them to see



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    Starmer’s Shambolic CPS, previously dubbed ‘an enemy to women’, proves he is unfit to serve as a member of parliament, let alone leader of the opposition.


    After having been appointed head of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in November 2008, Sir Keir’s half decade in the position oversaw cases as large and polarising as the Rochdale grooming gang scandal, mass sexual abuse scandals involving entertainment figures such as Jimmy Savile, and the John Worboys case. Patel noted Sir Keir has a complete ‘lack of interest in prosecuting horrendous crimes against women’, a statement hard to argue with when presented with his record.


    Arguably the biggest scandal during his time as DPP came right at the beginning of his tenure. A victim of the Rochdale Grooming gang had reported to Greater Manchester Police the sexual exploitation she’d been experiencing since the age of 15, including becoming pregnant by one of the men abusing her. When referred to the CPS, they decided that the victim was ‘not credible’ and that due to ‘insufficient evidence’ there was an ‘unrealistic prospect of conviction’. Victims continued to be plied with alcohol, drugs and gifts and were prostituted out to multiple men a night, multiple times a week for a further five years.

    In 2011, Nazir Afzal, who was then the chief prosecutor in the North West, reopened the case. The evidence previously deemed ‘insufficient’ by Starmer’s CPS — evidence which included DNA and eventually led to 47 other victims allegations — proved vital to securing the convictions of ten men. One of the victims was still not seen as ‘credible’ enough by the CPS because, despite being abused herself, she had later assisted in recruiting other girls to be groomed. The CPS did not want to call her as a witness and had ruled it was not in the public interest to prosecute the men who had abused her, but they needed to use the victim’s evidence. The CPS chose to name this victim as a co-conspirator without informing her that she had been named on the indictment along with the men who had trafficked and raped her. This resulted in social services attempting to remove her child from her custody, and the resignation of the Detective Constable overseeing the case resigning from the force — so that he could publicly criticise the CPS’s treatment of victims.

    Local authorities had previously blamed their reluctance to prosecute on the fear of being perceived as racist due to the fact the perpetrators were of South Asian origin and the victims were mostly white British girls. This reluctance and inaction saw a rise in far-right agitation across northern England; a father of one of the victims even joined the BNP for a short period over frustration at the lack of action by authorities. After significant public backlash, Sir Keir was forced to apologise for the mishandling of the case, saying that prosecutors shouldn’t “shy away” from the “issue of ethnicity” which had to be “understood and addressed”, and that ‘a number of assumptions, myths and stereotypes’ about sexual violence had resulted in the previous decision to ‘no further action’ the case.

    This response feebly indicated that the CPS needed to review how staff viewed sexual violence and the treatment of victims. Unfortunately, as later demonstrated by repeated failings on such issues, any internal review that may have gone on seems to have further embedded assumptions, myths and stereotypes within the institution. Retrospectively looking at Sir Keir’s language, it is quite clear now that his wording, though seemingly confident on this issue, lacked any substance.

    In 2009, whilst Jimmy Savile was still alive, police in Surrey and Sussex referred 4 cases to the CPS alleging that Jimmy Savile had abused 3 girls under the age of 16. Savile was interviewed under caution at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, where one of the incidents allegedly took place in the seventies. Within the same month, the CPS had received the files from police, but dropped the case due to ‘insufficient evidence’’. It would later emerge after Savile’s death that he had abused up to 500 victims over a four-decade period. In 2012 Emily Thornberry, Sir Keir’s former opponent in the current Labour leadership contest, stated that she found it “deeply disappointing” that the CPS was “presented with evidence of a clear pattern of sexual assaults by Savile and decided not to act.”

    However, one of the most crucial cases is related to John Worboys, the black cab driver who spiked the drinks of scores of unsuspecting women before sexually assaulting them while they were unconscious in the back of his taxi. Worboys was convicted in 2009 of 19 charges against 12 women. It was suspected that there were over 100 more victims. But Sir Keir ruled not to pursue further charges. What is most interesting about the case is that Carrie Symonds, the current partner of Boris Johnson, was a victim of Worboys. If Sir Keir is elected Labour’s next leader elected, the party would face a situation where they would have not only failed to elect a woman leader, but they would also elected a man who oversaw the mishandling of a high-profile rape case involving the prime minister’s partner.

    Sir Keir also oversaw the dramatic decline in the prosecution rate of rape cases as a result of the introduction of new guidance which led to police referring fewer cases to the CPS for charging decisions. The guidance saw an increase in the burden of proof from 50% to 60% which resulted in more complex cases that were more difficult to prosecute being dropped, with thousands of victims seeing their cases ‘no further actioned’ due to ‘insufficient evidence’ and an ‘unrealistic prospect of conviction’. These are the same things the victims of both Savile and the Rochdale grooming gang were originally told, which points to systemic failures resulting in untold numbers of abusers walking free without ever facing trial.

    A senior Met officer told the Bureau of Investigative Journalism that ‘referrals (to the CPS) had dropped as a result of policy change put in place in response to the CPS director’s 2011 guidance on charging’. This has contributed to the current crisis in the criminal justice system where campaigners have described rape as being ‘effectively decriminalised’. As a result, the End Violence Against Women and Girls Coalition and Centre for Women’s Justice have brought a judicial review against the CPS for their failure to prosecute rape cases.

    Sir Keir also failed to end the process of survivors who are disbelieved by authorities, or who withdraw their allegations from being charged for ‘false reporting’. The fear of false accusations is hugely disproportionate to the frequency of this occurrence. False allegations are extremely rare, ones that are labelled as ‘false’ often result in being true years later or are legitimate allegations that were withdrawn under pressure from the attacker, family and friends or the police.

    After Sir Keir’s resignation from the role, he called on the CPS to implement changes to how rape cases were investigated and even helped the Labour Party draw up a victim’s law outlining how it could be done. This was after he had the power to push for these changes himself within the institution. Instead he left deeply held biases and myths go mostly unchallenged, allowing for a culture of disbelief to continue, paving the way for the further decline of conviction rates. Survivors deserve support and justice, but Sir Keir reserved that for a small few choosing suspicion first and foremost, even in cases with multiple victims like the Rochdale grooming gang and Jimmy Savile scandals.

    As shown when it comes to sexual violence, Sir Keir is not a man of principle, he won’t champion justice or stand up for human rights, he will actively deny you them. Sir Keir doesn’t believe sex crimes to be in the public interest to prosecute. Evidence of this is on public record for all to see. If Labour Party members ignore Sir Keir’s history at the CPS we risk sending a damning message that his previous judgements as DPP do not matter and by extension those victims who were let down don’t either.



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    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    So we've been led to believe!!
     
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    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Didn’t you visit him?
     
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    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    one reason he looked for a new job ... gets to top [ almost] then fails or is pushed.. bit like LJ in a way?
     
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    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Too busy partying mate!!!
     
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    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has topped the 2022 TIME100 poll, in which readers vote for who they think should be in the magazine's list of the year's most influential people.

    A total of 3.3 million votes were cast by the public, with 5% of voters naming President Zelensky as the key public figure of 2022.

    Previously on the magazine's cover, President Zelensky told TIME he acknowledged that many people around the globe have been closely watching him throughout the conflict.

    “You understand that they’re watching,” he told TIME magazine. “You’re a symbol. You need to act the way the head of state must act.”

    Elon Musk, the new owner of Twitter and CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, came in second place with 3.5% of the vote, and UK Prime Minister Boris
     
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    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    It’s even made the headlines across the pond:

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/0...inally-submitted?referringSource=articleShare

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    ky News ran an interview last night talking to the people of Tiverton in Devon - they are about to hold an election to replace the local Tory MP who resigned for watching porn in the Commons (not the one who is being charged with rape - that’s another Tory..) - and it’s fascinating how popular BJ still is there, despite lying to the country about almost everything and heading up a party polluted with sleazebags and criminals <doh>
    People there seem to think that because of the Ukraine war, it’s not a big deal for our PM to mislead the country, get caught out lying on multiple occasions and unashamedly ignore the outrage and carry on in his position regardless <doh>

    I feel more and more detached from ‘mainstream’ political opinion with every passing day.
     
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    It's old news apart from anything else and is so booooring !
    I've been critical of Johnson (and rightly so) over the last year but the media and whoever is behind it (Cummings? give Partgate headlines a rest FFS !
    There's a fuel and cost of living crisis at home, an illegal immigration crisis, a war in East Europe, and the Chinese can't be trusted
    So is the best use of the Prime Ministers time to be answering the same questions over and over ?
    Joke
     
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    Makemstine Roger Well-Known Member

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    well said they are like a dog with a bone but Beer Starmer is under investigation as well
     
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    It’s Boris himself who’s delayed it, and delayed it, and now says it’s in the past, he can’t have it both ways. Had it been dealt with earlier it wouldn’t be dragging on.
     
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    Not quite in the same league is it in fairness,
     
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    sorry Ashton, cant agree with your synopsis .. every thing [ no matter what subject ] has to run its course! You cant put into action something, and which then awaits a result, but constantly keep going on about it. Was brought up in parliament today .... exactly that.
    Its dragging on or seems to be because 2 possibly 3 main oppostion parties do not have anything useful to say about the serious state we are in. Again Starmers labour shot down in flames when his answer for the economy is tax tax tax ...
    Who in any of the other parties except .gov actually broached the subject of economy / immigration or gas or electric / inflation ======= NONE. Met did their bit and SG hers both are conclusive ..... as for photo's well like the Rooney/ Vardy case where selling pics to the media gets a large wad of money the person who took the 4 quickfire pics would be a few £'s richer! [ there are 4 pics but convieniently ITV has blurred out all but Boris ... so definitive analysis is not available! but taking each one quickly after the other, whilst moving position, can be made to look like a long drawn out [ sequence ]...............
     
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    The NEW news is that Sue Gray's report has been published. Before today it was all just accusations - now its FACT.
    Partygate has proved that our PM can't be trusted - that's exactly why it matters SO MUCH - it's an indication of how much contempt he has for telling the British People - you and I - the truth - and taking responsibility for his own behaviour.

    Taken in isolation, a pissup, some fights, vomiting and a piece of cake is minutely insignificant (although it's not what I would expect from 'professional' people at the heart of government). It's the hypocrisy and LYING that really matters. He LIED - to all of us - but then we all know (but some people choose to ignore - or simply don't care) that he's built his career on lies; he was sacked from his job at the Daily Telegraph for lying, PPE, switched sides in the Brexit campaign, and now proven to have lied about Partygate - it's about being a trustworthy leader of this country - particularly in a time of crisis.
    How can we believe anything he says?
    Answer; we can't.
    Do we weed through and analyse all his statements and announcements and believe the 'important' ones to do with the war or the cost of living as the truth, but accept that some of the other things he says are lies - which is ok because the topic he lied about isn't important?

    Right now we need a trustworthy, strong leader to steer us through the dangerous time we are in, not a slippery, lying, squirming weasel.

    I'd believe this bloke over Boris Johnson:
    Aldridge Prior | Viz Wiki | Fandom
     
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    DID YOU WATCH COUNTRYFILE?

    He has maintained the same comments throughout, other than his surprise birthday party, never attended for more than a few minutes, any event and was told it was within the rules .... even Starmer believed it as within the rules when caught with beer in hand except he was 300 miles away! A liar never says the same thing again, and needs to cover his previous lie with another, or distorts the original to try and make it fit ..... I would say he is far far and faraway from being a squirming weasel, he is along with most .gov determined to get us out of the present circumstance brought about by Covid cost's and Putrids mindless war that has jacked up prices of energy and food ......
     
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