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BREAKING NEWS: EUROPEAN SUPER LEAGUE

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  1. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Which is receding by the day. The time to strike is there no better time to start said review when you had all the press and fans all over it.
     
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    Until UEFA make a decision they’ll sit on it imo. Don’t forget 3 of the dirty dozen haven’t given notice to quit it yet, the fact it’s no longer front page news is irrelevant to any PL review regarding potential serious rule breaches.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

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    That wont be until whatever supposed deadline passes for this thing.

    UEFA will fudge it to get past the cl finals and by then it's a cold case. Theres european championships to host and all of that and very very likely 3 of the 12 will be in the final of the club comps with arsenal not yet out so uefa would have to punish their champions.

    If the fa cannot bring its case now when the time is ripe it will only end up another cold case.

    If the premier league need uefa to punish first to get the balls to do something then they will be doing nothing.
     
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  4. Tobes

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    The PL will have a review, they have to, not least to ensure that the penalty for any future similar transgression is cast in stone, via both the ruling and adjustments to the handbook for next season and beyond.
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

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    They have to but at this rate they will end up asking Woodward to write it.

    Doesn't help having parish running about claiming he knew about stuff but stood back and let it happen either to get attention for himself.

    Anyway the league will meet as normal for its 2021/22 set up but they need to bring it to a head before it comes to the point that everyone's forgotten what was done
     
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    Parish had no part in it, what he’d heard or not heard pre the rats announcing what they’d signed up to is irrelevant to literally all of it.
     
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  7. moreinjuredthanowen

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    In general my view is the 14 are split in what to do and parish is a good example of it. He is seeing it more about self publicity than getting on with it. I reckon hes milked it for all it's worth.

    Others were more interested in grabbing some power at the table.
     
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    When Palace got secret information about Cardiff's starting line up, they were charged under rule b.16 which reportedly came with a maximum penalty of £25,000. If the PL were looking into that rule specifically, they could maybe multiply the £25,000 by 14. Still not a very big fine.

    The Italian FA are going to add another rule regarding starting a breakaway competition which carries the penalty of expulsion from the league. I don't know whether our authorities would do that. I don't think they will.
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

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    That IMO is the minimum. the rule for Explusion right now requires 75% or 15 votes. Therefore the big 6 were safe.

    In actual fact they should have expanded their super league to take 8 English sides somehow (24 teams i guess) and then taken out the 14 club rule changing rule.

    We have to see the rules changed to ensure that in future when/if this is tried on it is a full one break away from all leagues or nothing. This lot thought they could harvest cash on both sides
     
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    Bearing in mind a breakaway competition has been, not only talked about for years but actively pursued, why do you think they haven't already addressed it with a rule change? The Big Picture thing should have had them on a rule change immediately because it was the first very real attempt at a money grab from those club executives. They did nothing.
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Probably because they thought the rules were already ok or that most likey the clubs would not take on eufa like that really.


    The big picture thing was simply a proposal. anyone can make a proposal. They voted on it, it was rejected so that was that. rules were adequate.

    In this case the rules around L.9 are clearly not well enough defined and the clubs had a get out in the leaked contract that they didn't actually enter the thing if they want to argue it due to the june 30th thing. you cannot enter one but no punishment is defined par se. there are guidlines for the general rules in that section but none cover entering a competition.
     
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    Big Picture was only a proposal, you're right, but it showed clear intent as to how the minds of those club representatives were working. The PL and FA didn't heed the warning shot. I don't think they will go as far as saying in the future, expulsion will be the punishment. I think that's very risky. The best prediction of future behaviour is past behaviour. As much as I don't want another breakaway attempt, I wouldn't rule it out in some form. If expulsion is the punishment then the PL will in effect be pushing that and making it more likely to happen.
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

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    It has to be the deterrent as uefa plus prem = 80-100mil plus 150mil before own revenue so any alternative has to replace both revenues.

    The super league wanted its cake by taking all the uefa cash plus a topping at 200 of mil min and keep the 150mil from the prem.
     
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    Chelsea raise hypocrisy to an art form

    Matthew Syed

    Wednesday April 28 2021, 9.00am, The Times
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    The flaw in the European Super League plan — well, one of them — is that it would have rewarded failure. There would have been no meaningful sting, no sanction, no penalty. The top clubs, the founding cartel, could have had a nightmare in their domestic leagues but still secured their guaranteed place in the competition with its rigged financial payoff for permanent members.

    But let’s be honest here: football has rewarded ethical failings for many years. Exhibit A is Bruce Buck, a silver fox American lawyer who came to the UK to set up the London base of a law firm, worked with Roman Abramovich on the takeover of Chelsea and then found himself as executive chairman. I am not sure there is a more symbolic figure in modern football, nor one who has enriched himself more impressively from the game.

    You’ve got to hand it to him in some ways. On these pages a few years ago, he demonstrated his No 1 quality as a kind of human whitewash.

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    Abramovic’s motivations have rarely accounted for the wishes of Chelsea fans, despite his claims
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    Whenever Abramovich is criticised, whenever his history is brought up, whenever his motives are examined, Buck is somewhere in the vicinity seeking to present them in a different light. He has talked of the oligarch’s “passion for the game” and the “community spirit” that animates his football-related activities.

    The implication is that those of us who thought that Abramovich came into football for strategic reasons have it all wrong. We are all at sea, those of us who sensed that the reallocation of money from his part in the “rigged” auctions of Russian state assets (this was the word of his own QC in the High Court) was motivated by self-interest. No, Abramovich was all about “building something sustainable, using the name of Chelsea Football Club to have a positive impact on the young and disadvantaged, and making a difference to communities — not only in London but around the world”.


    These words came flooding back to me when Chelsea signed up for the European cartel that united almost every English football fan in uproar. Buck had previously told us that Abramovich’s principal ambition was “to build an institution that will provide everlasting joy and pride to Chelsea fans”. Everlasting joy? Perhaps we may substitute “everlasting infamy” in the aftermath of last week. Pride? This was a plan that even many its advocates admit was all about greed.

    The eagerness of Buck and Abramovich for this vampiristic venture was always transparent but they even took the trouble to advocate for it in public last Monday night, 24 hours after the news broke. At the very moment that fans were protesting on the streets and the game itself was in the balance, Buck spoke to a fans’ forum to give arguably the most impassioned defence of the ESL so far. The statement from the Chelsea Supporters’ Trust said that he “extensively defended” the concept, using his legal savvy to defend the indefensible and ventriloquise for his oligarchical paymaster.

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    Yet it is what happened next that most vividly reveals the psychology of Buck and, for that matter, Abramovich. The day after Buck’s bravura performance, it became obvious that the ESL couldn’t go forward in its present form. The threat of expulsion from the Premier League would have made it a financial loser, not a winner. The promise of a “legislative bomb” from the prime minister added to the commercial risks of the venture. Fans talked of boycotts and seemed to mean it. The calculus of benefit had turned on its head and, reluctantly, the clubs started to backtrack.

    And this is where one can only marvel at Buck’s brazenness. As the logic of the league evaporated, Chelsea issued a new statement. A story emerged where “sources” close to Abramovich (who could this mean?) said that the big man had been “reluctant” to sign up to the ESL all along all and would not “stand against the values of competition”. Oh, and they feared that “all the work undertaken by Abramovich and the Chelsea board to demonstrate that his ownership is not just about success on the pitch or on the balance sheet could be undone and forgotten about”.



    I rarely laugh out loud when reading football stories but I did this time. Fans are often taken for fools by owners but this was hypocrisy as art form. The picture the “Chelsea spokesman” was seeking to paint was that Abramovich — whose wealth was partly secured by coming out on top in the aluminium wars of the 1990s — had been dragged by the ear into signing up to the ESL by that nasty physics graduate Ed Woodward. Yep, he was the victim in all this.

    And here is the payoff, one that emerged in the small print only towards the end of last week. There are many people who emerge tarnished from this affair, both on these shores and abroad, but there is only one undisputed winner. No, not the fans. Not the “big six”. Not Woodward, who had to fall on his sword in the aftermath of the debacle. And perhaps not even the rest of the Premier League, who may have to weather this particular storm all over again when the elite clubs come up with a reformed proposals to enrich themselves at the expense of competitive balance.

    Nope, the winner is Buck. A Chelsea source let it be known that the club “are not planning for any heads to roll over the club’s climbdown from the European Super League” and I, for one, believe them. The organ grinder cannot easily sack his monkey. This is why the guy who symbolises — perhaps more than anyone else — the moral vacuum in football. The man who (in case you’d forgotten) was the mastermind behind the £5 million payoff for the former Premier League executive chairman, Richard Scudamore, and who has acted as the lightning rod for one of the most dubious owners, will continue to draw his reported £2.2 million salary.

    As Greavsie might have put it: “It’s a funny old game”.


    Just thought I'd plonk this here. One of the more nauseating effects of this debacle is how Chelsea and City are coming out of it smelling of roses, and campaigning, championing journalists who were full of evangelistic spirit a week ago have now seemed to remember the many backhanders put their way by Chelsea and City in the last two decades or so. But not Matthew, thankfully.

    Pass the ****ing sick bag, or what? :emoticon-0119-puke:
     
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    Good article.

    While fans were united in their response to the super league and rightly so, UEFA will have been rubbing their hands gleefully that they won the battle of the greedy. Corruption can carry on as normal now.
     
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    The Premier League is to bring in a new owners' charter to stop future attempts to join a breakaway Super League.

    It follows Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester City and Tottenham agreeing to join the failed European Super League last month.


    All owners will have to sign up to the new rule "committing them to the core principles" of the league with breaches punished by "significant" sanctions.

    The Football Association said an inquiry into the six clubs has started.

    "The actions of a few clubs cannot be allowed to create such division and disruption," the Premier League said.

    "We are determined to establish the truth of what happened and hold those clubs accountable for their decisions and actions."

    The Football Association added: "We wrote to all of the clubs to formally request all relevant information and evidence regarding their participation.

    "Once we have the required information, we will consider what appropriate steps to take."

    The Super League proposal, which also included some of Europe's biggest clubs, collapsed within 72 hours after widespread criticism from fans, players and governing bodies and politicians.

    There have been various calls for sanctions against the clubs, including points deductions, relegation and bans from European competitions.

    The executives at the six clubs involved in the collapsed breakaway have been forced to resign from advisory roles at the Premier League.

    Most of the clubs apologised and Manchester United's executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward resigned.

    In its statement the Premier League said it would also introduce "additional rules and regulation to ensure the principles of the Premier League and open competition are protected".

    Both the FA and the English top-flight said it is seeking help from the government to bring in legislation to protect the football pyramid and "the integrity of the football community".

    "The events of the last two weeks have challenged the foundations and resolve of English football," the Premier League said.

    "These measures are designed to stop the threat of breakaway leagues in the future."

    The Premier League also said it "recognises the strength of feeling" among fans but urged protests to remain peaceful.

    It follows the protest by Manchester United fans on Sunday which resulted in two police officers being injured and caused the club's match against Liverpool to be postponed.
     
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    A new charter and a request for documentation.

    Most likely the usual premier league and fa advertising they are doing something after something else happened.
     
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    As of July 1, Chelsea FC have announced that there will be supporter presence at the club’s board meetings.

    Three supporter advisors, who will be picked through an election and selection process, will attend their board meetings
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    Can't stand the club but fair play to Chelsea, leading by example <applause>
     
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    :)

    You do realise board meetings at chelsea mean nothing and Abramovich says that to do after right?

    They are also non voting "advisors" so that will go well.
     
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