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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by moreinjuredthanowen, Apr 18, 2021.
Yep, but it's a step in the right direction; consultation with fans
Yes it is.
SoS are talking to hogan but are demanding 2 voting seats plus a veto on the LFC board which is simply ridiculous.
they seem to not consider kenny dalglish being on the baord as a football voice so he would have to go to fit them on and they make zero account as "legacy fans" of global fanbase having no voice
theres no easy solution to this issue, but people need to realise the power of bayern is not within the confines of munich city. Like it or not just like the beatles we've launched the club to the global level and can't just pull it back in and say just play the cavern club now.
You know Billy Hogan had already agreed to meet with Spirit of Shankly representatives
Edit: just read mito's reply
Perfectly reasonable to have better and significant voter representation. If Henry was as repentant as he said on his videotape then he’s got to allow this to happen. Otherwise it’s all insincere waffle to get fans back on board and prevent further protests and boycotts.
I wonder whether the government are considering legislating to increase their popularity. Anything like that will sail through parliament without a single dissenting voice.
they do not own any shares therefore having voter rights would ut them on the same level as some senior executives.
Henry, Werner, Hogan and Gordoan own shares. Kenny does'nt, Hughes and Egan I don't know so in reality if they gave 2 elected fan reps on a board dealing with sensitive financial "stuff" then those fans would end up needing to sign non disclosure same as you or i would have to do to work for a company.
It would also be 6 v 2 so then how does that work? they two walk out? then what was the point of asking for voting.
in effect SoS are not asking for votes on football matters they are asking for a seat in a business boardroom with no skin in the game. Cheslea have offered what IMO (already sated) is for show.
not only that they are asking for a veto over people who actually own the thing.
I am sure we are in agreement about fans having a say but fans also have the real voting power to stop spending.
It's a classic bargaining strategy; ask for more and count it as a win when you are given what you realistically thought you'd get.
Having a veto is surely impractical and I couldn't see any owner buying that one.
Having fans' representatives present at meetings is good, because even if they're powerless at least nothing can be agreed upon without the wider fanbase getting to hear about it. So no ESL fait accompli being dropped on us in the future.
There are still further complications though, because no club wants its intentions revealed to its rivals too soon, so as you say, some sort of non-disclosure agreement would need to be made - or there will still be secret meetings going on that they aren't invited to, which sort of sinks the whole idea.
All seems a bit of a sticky wicket to me.
Having fans on boards is utterly pointless imo, and the idea they should have voting rights and a veto is laughable.
It’s pointless because the first thing fans groups are going to want their representative to do, is to share the full details of the meetings. Which is ****ing impossible if they’re sitting through a confidential board meeting when all sorts of privileged financial information could be on the table. So the fans would either have to sign NDA’s meaning they can’t share, or only sit in on matters that are potentially fan related. Like a upgrade to the ****ters or what lager to have next season. It’s pure tokenism and not worth a carrot.
Bit of history - try reading of the Pilgrimage Of Grace. The rebels were bought off with the promises of reform and a seat on The Council. As soon as he could after the rebellion had quietened down and the rebels gone home, Henry and Cromwell had the leaders executed, with Aske's head put on a spike in York. For Henry VIII, read Abramovich, and for Cromwell read Buck.
Not until there is elected, voting representation on the board is there a true voice for the fans. And that doesn't ****ing mean an election within SOS either.
I wonder how SOS plan to keep us financially strong, find alternative ways to grow revenues? So far, they're quick to shut down ticket price increase, ESL etc but what are the solutions?
There's talking about doing it and actually doing it. Chelsea have done it first
Think ticket price thing is small potatoes in the big picture. It's that small a percentage that FSG have used it at every stage as ready made anchor to slow down ground improvement, even though they supposedly got the club for a knock-down price in a distressed sale because they had £250m in place to build a new stadium. Because of the low yield, they've used that as an excuse for dragging their heels over the Anny Rd end for a decade.
Sure, they've lost millions because of the ground closures, but they've lost more in broadcasting and advertising. And that's what the Super League was about. **** knows what the strategy is now, but it certainly won't have anything to do with competing with City, Chelsea and United in the transfer market, or even West Ham and Everton, I'll wager.
It's more an effort to not be taken by surprise and to get across fans views on certain things. The fact that fan reaction halted ticket price hikes and joining another league, for example, will hopefully stop such ventures in the future. I don't think anyone from SoS thinks they will have a say in actually running the club.
In fairness to SOS as they are only doing what they feel is right fr fans. Its not their job to talk revenue. Its their job to speak for fans.
Bayern and dortmund can dominate germany (more or less) without massively expensive ticket prices or break away super leagues.
If a fan's representative could sit BESIDE (not in place of) kenny dalglish as our football representative then I would be quite pleased actually. just don't be thinking you get a say in the business.
we should not michael edwards has no seat on the baord as a director of football, are we going to let SOS vote on players to buy now?
It is crystal clear that FSG have been caught about 4/5? times now not listening. its a consistent theme they tired to address in 2016 with a supporters committee get they still did the premier league proposal and now a super league proposal.
will a fan on the board speaking for fans help? who knows.
SoS asked for a meeting very quickly and the invitation was accepted. So they did approach it in the right way and it was action not just talk Chelsea have given the fans an agreement to have representatives sit in on four meetings a year with restricted access. So yes that's a good move by them. We'll have to wait and see what the outcome of our situation is. I can't see them not having some form of fan involvement.
Begining to reluctantly think that way. Without voting rights it's meaningless, and with voting rights it comes with a whole host of responsibilities. The best I can think of is an elected presence of the fans drawn from professional candidates, or something on the lines of Germany. What I'd dread is SOS appointing themselves as my representative in any ****ing capacity, tbh.
just to outline.
Hogan met fans groups very clearly and agreed the letters could be shared and that. this was a follow up meeting.
Chelsea have agreed to give to advisor roles to fans, which are basically imo nothing.
Again if getting your message in first means "you've won" fine but chelsea and city might have "signed late" to the ESL but we all know they were involved all the way along and signed up.
same for this fans stuff.