Off Topic Corona virus - non football

I just can't get my head round being locked down for 12 weeks. It feels like a weird dream that will end suddenly. And then another day passes.

 

Agree with smug, following daily stats is going to be painful for people. In the next month we will see thousands of deaths in a best case scenario. The curve of our graph is still formative, it won't follow a linear upwards or downwards trajectory yet. We will take a week or two to find out where we are.

 

**** sake we need mass testing & ASAP like the Germans

 

Turns out today’s number included previously unreported deaths that weren’t in hospitals.

Ray of light is back..

 

I don’t see how this will work? You could have the test one day and be negative, come out of the test room and meet somebody straight away who has it? It’s going to be a never ending circle unless an antidote is discovered?
Unless I’m missing something, which I hope to god I am?

 

Like when you fly over for a match.
Oh and over a million peoples livelihoods at stake
Not to mention the massive effect on the economy.

Oh and while I'm on the subject.
The mass hysteria going on, people posting about the polis doing the right thing and people going out are idiots really need to get a fooking grip.

It is not law to stay in nor is it law to only go out once and no more than an hour.

It is advised to stay in unless essential and if you do go out to stay 2 metres away from others.
Advised

The police are fining people for driving their cars ffs,

Most police chiefs have agreed that court cases are arising from over zealous plod who haven't got a fooking clue but lets lot let that get in the way of social media bellends jumping on every tom dick or harry because they read something on facefook or twàtter

 

Even if just 10% of the slight cases know they have it, they can self isolate. We have people spreading it who feel fine.

 

Tests imho, until an antiviral and vaccine are developed, are vital for lots of folk, ie NHS workers or to know if you are going to pass it on. If I have read correctly lots if tests have meant the Germans by and large have been least affected.

We probably did not have enough tests or trained testers because during the last 10 years of cuts to the NHS, as with ventilators, nurses bursaries, PPE not considered 'economic'.

 

Can you imagine the logistics of trying to test everyone in the UK on the same day? No chance is it even possible imo. And even if you got a negative result, that doesn't mean you haven't had it, just that you don't have it at the time of the test. And what about the potential of a person catching it one hour before the test and the virus not having enough time to replicate enough through the blood stream to show up in a test. They'd be getting a negative result but would actually be positive and then have the ability to spread it for the next couple of weeks.

I've read as low as 60% of the population all the way up to 90% need to get it before you have enough immune people around to stop or at least massively slow down the spread of it. And without that vaccine, the only way to get those numbers immune is if they catch it.

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-comments-about-herd-immunity/

 

According to my Italian friend, Mr Tonna, the virus will gradually mutate into a less virulent form.

This, according to him, is what governments are relying on rather than a miracle cure or proper provisioning.

The UK provisioning has been pathetic because they got off to such a slow start, not even enough for front line NHS workers.

He has a massive pharmaceutical research company so I tend to listen to what he says.

On the other hand it could be a double bluff and he's working flat out to beat the competition

 

Don't think the airline industry will collapse completely but I think some carriers will go to the wall. And even if they all did get back into the skies, they will be ****ed when we have the oil inflation that Goldman Sachs said is coming. Brent crude was about $70 a barrell earlier this year, down to about $22 now. It's already got to the point where some producers would have to pay to get the oil moved and some wells are already being shut down because of this. And a lot of those wells are closed for good as they aren't economically viable to re-open. And seeing as Saudi are in a price war with Russia and the US and have decide to ramp up production the price will only continue to fall. Either way, I can see the end of stupidly cheap flights in the future, which is a good thing in my eyes.



https://www.theguardian.com/busines...as-prices-hit-18-year-lows-due-to-coronavirus

 

If the government were to open pubs and other shops it would be the biggest act of irresponsibility in modern day British political history. Britain needs to be in the situation that Wuhan is now before it allows the population back on the streets en-masse.
Even if it takes until autumn the whole of Europe must stay in lockdown or people will continue getting infected and dying and the numbers will keep going up.

 

Sad but true mate, sad but true.

If people really can't cope without pubs, football and bookies then, in all honesty, I have no sympathy.

I can be content in almost every circumstance because I'm happy to be me.

This is a time when self sacrifice is not only a necessity but will make us feel good about ourselves if we let it.

The 'I want what I want and I want it now' people need to take a step back and have a good think.

 

South Korea didn't have a lockdown

 

Far too clever for me but quite impressed with this.

TRAFFIC is gone, LONG QUEUES are gone. (Except in Asda - Tesco - Sainsbury’s etc)

FUEL is affordable, BILLS extended.

KIDS are at home with their FAMILIES, PARENTS are home taking care of their CHILDREN. (Not much arguing either....!!!!!)

FAST FOOD replaced by HOME COOKED MEALS,
hectic SCHEDULES replaced by NAPS.

The AIR seems CLEANER, the WORLD QUIETER.

PEOPLE are conscious about HYGIENE and HEALTH again.

MONEY doesn't seem to make the WORLD GO ROUND anymore.

Finally We get to see woman's real eyebrows and hair colour

It seems like this COVID-19 is a RESET BUTTON for HUMANITY!!!

 

Nee bloody football though

 

No they had a massive and immediate testing programme, plenty of health service workers and protection for that staff.

Besides I doubt you'd want to live here if it was like South Korea

 

As of this week, South Korea had just over 9,000 confirmed coronavirus cases, which puts it among the top 10 countries for total cases.

But South Korea has another distinction: Health experts are noting that recently the nation has managed to significantly slow the number of new cases. And the country appears to have reined in the outbreak without some of the strict lockdown strategies deployed elsewhere in the world.

"We've seen examples in places like Singapore and [South] Korea, where governments haven't had to shut everything down," said Mike Ryan, head of the World Health Organization's Health Emergencies Programme. "They've been able to make tactical decisions regarding schools, tactical decisions regarding movements, and been able to move forward without some of the draconian measures."

Speaking this week to journalists, Ryan said that countries that have tested widely for the virus, isolated cases and quarantined suspected cases — in the way that South Korea and Singapore have done — have managed to suppress transmission of the virus. President Trump has also praised South Korea's handling of the health crisis and even asked President Moon Jae-in for help with medical equipment to fight the outbreak in the United States



The head of the WHO, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has called on other countries around the world to "apply the lessons learned in [South] Korea and elsewhere" in their own battles against the coronavirus.

South Korea's foreign minister, Kang Kyung-wha, speaking to the BBC last week, said the key lessons from her country are that it developed testing for the virus even before it had a significant number of cases.

"In mid-January, our health authorities quickly conferred with the research institutions here [to develop a test]," Kang said. "And then they shared that result with the pharmaceutical companies, who then produced the reagent [chemical] and the equipment needed for the testing."

So when members of a religious sect in Daegu started getting sick in February, South Korea was able to rapidly confirm that it was COVID-19.

"Testing is central" to the outbreak response, said Kang, "because that leads to early detection. It minimizes further spread." And it allows health authorities to quickly isolate and treat those found with the virus.

Hong Kong and Singapore have followed similar paths in responding to this outbreak.

They've used testing aggressively to identify cases — not only testing people who are so sick that they're hospitalized but also mild cases and even suspected cases. They've quarantined tens of thousands of people who may have been exposed to confirmed cases.

The vast majority of the people ordered to quarantine at home are perfectly healthy and never do get sick, but the few who do develop symptoms can be quickly isolated further. Tedros of the WHO refers to this as cutting off the virus at the bud — basically stopping the virus from spreading further and preventing community transmission.

Hong Kong also reacted with incredible speed in the outbreak's early days. On Dec. 31, 2019, Hong Kong's Centre for Health Protection, the city's health department, sent out an alert to its doctors telling them to be on the lookout for patients presenting with fever, acute respiratory illness, pneumonia and/or shortness of breath — and particularly patients with these symptoms who'd recently traveled to the Chinese city of Wuhan, the initial epicenter of the pandemic. Prior to this crisis, a high-speed rail line went directly from downtown Hong Kong to Wuhan (it was shut down on Jan. 30 and hasn't run since).

The other thing that South Korea, Hong Kong and Singapore have in common is that they've been able to keep most factories, shopping malls and restaurants open. Singapore has even kept its schools open at a time when nations around the world are shutting down classrooms.

Japan is another Asian country notable for its response. Although Japan has more than twice the population of South Korea and also has strong ties to China, it has recorded only a fraction of the cases that South Korea has — just over 1,000 as of Thursday. Japan hasn't been testing nearly as widely as South Korea, but it appears to have fended off significant community transmission by quickly investigating any flare-ups of cases, identifying who exactly is infected and then monitoring their contacts.

Despite the successes in Asia in containing this virus, recently several places have seen surges in imported cases from Europe. This week, after Singapore saw an uptick in cases among people who'd recently flown into the country, it announced new restrictionson travelers, blocking all short-term visitors from entering.

"Part of the reason for the tougher border measures is to ensure we keep Singapore as safe as possible," Singapore's minister of education, Ong Ye Kung, wrote this week in a Facebook post. He said the highly restrictive entry rules are "so that daily activities, like going to work, eating out and attending school, can go on."

He argued that children are safer and more productive in school and that closing schools places a significant burden on working adults, including health care workers.

"Keeping our healthcare system strong is paramount in the fight against COVID-19," he said. "Our frontline warriors will be much more assured if their children are in school, meaningfully engaged, in a safe and healthy environment."

He also pushed back against the idea that schools could be breeding grounds for the virus, saying there is little "evidence to show that the young are vectors or spreaders of the virus. The reverse appears to be the case, where the young get infected by adults at home." (Health agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention do note that even though children may often present with milder symptoms than adults, "There is much more to be learned about how the disease impacts children.")

Another thing that links Hong Kong, Singapore and South Korea is that they've all had bad coronavirus outbreaks in the past. Hong Kong and Singapore were hit hard by SARS in 2003, and South Korea came to a standstill during a MERS outbreak in 2015.

Their experiences with these past outbreaks may have made officials more aggressive in responding to COVID-19 and possibly made residents more willing to accept intrusive measures to contain the virus.

South Korea has used data from surveillance cameras, cellphones and credit card transactions to map the social connections of suspected cases. Hong Kong issues detailed information each evening about every newly confirmed case. While Hong Kong doesn't give out the names of those infected, health officials release each person's age, gender, street address, medical symptoms — and often the exact location of where the person works. This allows other residents to determine if they might have been in contact with the infected individual.

For instance, in late February the health department announced that a 55-year-old fry cook at a KFC restaurant on King's Road in the North Point neighborhood had tested positive. The department reassured residents that the heat of cooking oil probably kills the coronavirus and that patrons were not considered at risk of having contracted the virus. The fast-food branch, however, closed immediately and has remained shut. A sign on the door said the management was going to thoroughly clean the premises.

Another day in February, one of the newly diagnosed patients was a 75-year-old man living in Block 1, Seaview Garden in Tuen Mun. He first developed symptoms on Jan. 25, according to a statement released by the health department. Until he was isolated at Tuen Mun Hospital on Feb. 18, he had breakfast each morning at the Hoi Tin Garden Restaurant located at 5 Sam Shing Street, Tuen Mun — except for Feb. 15, when for some reason he didn't. The report details that his wife, age 83, tested positive the day before he did.

The health department also releases license plate numbers of taxi drivers who test positive and the flight numbers of infected travelers who recently arrived — again, so members of the public can determine if they might have had contact. In Singapore, the police force works with the Ministry of Health to trace connections between cases and to track chains of transmission. Singapore also makes details of these infections public in the hope that other residents will come forward if they may have come in contact with a confirmed case.

The aggressive efforts by Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore and South Korea to investigate and isolate every possible infection is exactly what the World Health Organization has been calling for since January.

The WHO's Maria Van Kerkhoveacknowledged this week that for countries dealing with hundreds and even thousands of new cases every day, "finding every case" can be difficult.

"We hear you. This is overwhelming," Van Kerkhove said on Wednesday. "But it's really important for us to take the examples of all these countries, look at what they did as it relates to the epidemiology in their country and learn from them."

 

If we hadn't had 10 years of tory austerity & they hadnt have buried that 2016 report we wouldn't be in the mess were in now

 

Only because they got onto it quickly hank.

Most of the western world faffed around with politicians more worried about there popularity than the actual virus.

In a nutshell, we left it too late and the lockdowns are a result of indecision.