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Discussion in 'Charlton' started by lardiman, Feb 25, 2020.
Nice to hear from you mate, I was worried you had developed 'Kojakitis'.
Just been on a 3-way chat with a mate in my old 'hometown' in Sweden. I was just about to f*** off over there for a few days as it's still business as usual, they are around 4 weeks behind England, and was looking to go into my old local.
I came back down to earth with a bang when he said flights between England and Sweden close this Thursday
I don't imagine they can set specific dates for raising lock down ,- it'll be dependent on a lot of factors.
As an addition, worrying news that Boris has been moved to intensive care. Best wishes to him, this virus is a f ucker.
The situation we are in at the moment is very concerning, putting it mildly.
However, the future with the economy and a vast increase in unemployment figures is not a very nice though either.
The loss of live overides all of course.
Glad to see 'the sulk' has not slapped a ban on you Kenneth.
Sorry to hear your travel plans were scuppered Elfs.
Sweden really ought to be thinking about social distancing right now, and a general lockdown.
They can see what has happened everywhere else.
They won't be able to avoid this just by closing their borders.
Same species + same social behaviour = same proportion of infections and fatalities.
The Swedish people are sensible folk aren't they? Surely they would accept restrictions in advance of an epidemic there that would cripple their healthcare system, not because of one.
Grave news - Boris Johnson has been admitted to Intensive Care.
The reports are that he is not yet on a ventilator, but I fear now that he may not survive.
He probably should have rested much earlier during his illness.
But when you're the Prime Minister it must be almost impossible to step back from the need to do your duty.
Dorks of the Day ... 7th April
Holland & Barrett - trendy nibbles and herbal medicine stores.
Hardly "essential" unless you're a post-modern hippy.
Nice of them to put profits ahead of the lives of shop workers and their families.
Grim figures today, as they are every day. Coronavirus is here to stay for a very long time.
R.I.P everyone who passed away.
Anybody who is pinning their hopes on this lockdown being lifted within a week or two; you need to change your outlook.
Counting down the days to life going "back to normal" is not a helpful coping strategy.
All you are doing is bottling up frustration, and distilling resentment to the point where you'll lose control of it.
Don't kid yourselves into thinking that the lockdown will be lifted as swiftly as it was imposed.
The lockdown rules will only be relaxed very gradually, in very small steps, one at a time, over the next year or so I should think.
Mass testing (millions of tests) for everybody will make it easier for rules to be modified to make life a bit less stressful.
But the only real game changer - the only thing that will allow mass events like football matches to resume - is a vaccine.
The last big event that thousands of people gathered for - the Cheltenham Festival - is now thought to be a factor in the nation wide spread of the virus. People came from all over the country to watch the racing, and many of them probably took the virus home with them.
That last day of football matches probably helped the virus to spread as well. If you add up all the people who packed themselves in at stadiums and pubs that day it is probably well over a million.
I guess that within another 6 to 10 weeks the Government will be forced to relax rules regarding small shops and restaurants, because they cannot allow the economy to collapse. Business and trade has to resume in some form. Some people will have to go back to work.
People are going to have to be allowed to go out to parks to sunbathe or go on day trip holidays, that kind of thing.
A few community leisure & sports facilities may be opened again; golf courses, tennis courts etc.
But the 2m distancing rules will have to stay. Crowds will have to remain completely forbidden.
We will have to get used to queuing for everything, and always keeping our distance.
The Government CANNOT allow anything which puts the NHS in danger of collapsing.
Remember, our doctors, nurses and support staff are working themselves into the ground. Many of them are probably nearing mental and physical exhaustion.
Individuals MUST be allowed breaks and time away from the front line.
Staff must be rotated, because they cannot cope with 60 hour weeks over and over again.
These people have families too.
For this reason the social distancing rules must remain ... until we have a mass vaccination programme.
And we probably won't see that until summer / autumn NEXT year.
Don't lose hope.
Things will get better.
But they are going to get better very slowly, over many months.
By the way;
If a large enough number of weak-willed people ignore the lockdown rules over the Easter Bank Holiday weekend,
the Government and/or Local Councils will probably impose more lockdown restrictions.
Parks could be closed - not just for a day or two, but perhaps every weekend.
That one outing for exercise each day might be stopped.
A minority of careless slackers might make life even more frustrating for everyone.
This event MUST not be staged, even behind closed doors.
How many ambulances and paramedics will be needed there? - never mind all the other support staff and Police, who will have to be looking out for morons who try to go to the racecourse and hang around the area.
We cannot spare vital medics and medical facilities to look after leisure events.
It's as simple as that.
I can't believe they are even considering holding this event.
I'll offer as Dork of the Day, any journalist who goes to the number 10 briefing ans asks (again) when will the country come out of lock down? Christ on a bike, back in 1941 were the press asking 'hey Winston, when will the war end? There's a whole slew of factors involved, and assuming through the ignorance of a few, the government don't have to impose more stringent measures, the chances are this wll go on for a while and the easing of lock down wll travel over a period of weeks. As an example of the dificulties to overcome with a simple graph analysis, Spain recorded a drop in deaths from Covid-19 for around five days at the end of last week. On monday the number rose back to 760 and it went up further today. Given every country has a different way of measuring death and infection rates, this is only a guide. But the dip towards a plateau has temporarily gone, so the graphs are currently only an illustration. The Word is Spain wil possibly be edging out of total lock down in mid to late may, but no one here would expect a definate date - Wuhan is just coming back out now, and I imagine a lot of restrictions are still in place. This is going to run for a while so going into kiddie mode and asking 'are we there yet dad?' really isn't doing any Good at all.
Hospital theatres are being converted into wards.
St Thomas'? last night said they now have 2 theatres instead of the normal 10.
The other 8 theatres have been converted into ICU wards, 2 beds per ward.
So St Thomas' now has 16 more ICU beds for Coromavirus patients.
Spot on Ken.
Only fools in denial are still clinging to the forlorn hope that things are going to go 'back to normal' in a couple of weeks' time.
Journalists who keep asking such childish simplistic questions are just pandering to weakness, presumably for cheap popularity.
People must shed the silly wishful-thinking notion that everything is just going to go back to normal soon.
We must adapt instead to a new way of life.
A way of life where gradual improvements will come, but they are going to come very slowly, and we should be thankful for what we still have.
A way of life where
Helping the NHS
Looking after elderly and vulnerable folk
Keeping the electricity / gas / water / fuel networks working properly
Maintaining the food chain from farm to shop shelf - and making sure everybody has access to it
Keeping the internet / mobile network / TV / radio / postal services running
Keeping public transport running
Helping the Police keep order
Educating our children
become important things we can all give some time to, rather than things we expect to just be there as a given.
The price of a quick return to all the old things we took for granted (pubs, parties, restauants, football, crowded streets, pop concerts etc.) would be a declaration that anybody who falls seriously ill with Coronavirus will be refused hospital admission or treatment.
If you get COVID19 you either recover from it at home, or you die at home.
I expect there is a small minority of really selfish, arrogant and amoral people who would actually prefer that option to the current lockdown.
They would not mind a million deaths if it meant they could go out for a pint and go to the football.
The disappearance of some of their own friends and relatives might change their minds in time.
Or when it's their turn to suffocate in agony in bed at home they might repent. But it would be too late by then.
However in the real world this will never happen of course.
This isn't North Korea.
Doctors, nurses and care workers would never turn their backs on sick people even if the authorities declared that virus victims would be banned from hospitals. They would defy such a heartless order. Police would never enforce it, and the vast majority of people would never accept it.
The weak-willed folk of this country who might be asking themselves if a long lockdown will actually be worse for Britain than just letting Coronavirus kill anyone it wants to (the cold-blooded philosophy of so-called 'herd immunity'), should take a very hard look at themselves.
In my opinion even to ask such a question to yourself in private - never mind in public - betrays a serious lack of moral fibre.
We are not mindless animals.
And our morality is not the law of the jungle.
We do not abandon our weak, vulnerable or elderly for any reason, let alone because protecting them has put a crimp on our leisure lifestyle.
The lockdown stays for as long as it is needed ... (another 6 to 12 weeks would be my guess)
The social distancing stays until we have a vaccine ... (a year to 18 months from now maybe)
The Economy will survive in the long run, and so will sport and tourism etc.
They may just have to submit to radical changes.
Dork of the Day ... 8th April
Is thinking of withdrawing the USA from the World Health Organisation (WHO) because he thinks it is too friendly with China.
This is the worst possible time for the US President to flourish his Isolationist and White Supremacist colours for the 'nth time.
Is The Donald capable of saying anything that isn't inflammatory or just plain stupid?
Deputy Dorks of the Day ... 8th April
1) Journos who keep asking for a timetable to lift the lockdown (as recommended by Ken Shabby)
2) The plank who just asked on TV whether the UK would be better off not leaving the EU after all in light of the current crisis Give me strength...
PARENTAL ADVISORY - STRONG LANGUAGE!
I was going to type "Gordon Bennet, I hope he hasn't got a gun..." then he pulls one out!
Mayor of London - He would get my vote
The economy will take a few years to get over this.