Off Topic Coronavirus and NOTHING to do with football thread

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  1. oldfrenchhorn

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    What it has already shown up is the massive number of people who are already effectively unemployed except in name only. With so much of the UK economy based around employing cheap labour from abroad, which will disappear as soon as the people can get back home, the UK is in a very weak position. After ten years of austerity that has been shown to not work, with the country no longer AAA rated, borrowing is likely to be very expensive for the UK compared to most larger economies around the world.
     
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    I correctly rubbished the idea which has sunk without trace. A couple of backbenchers coming up with an idea does not make government policy.

    Where are we now with it? It was never likely to happen, it will never happen.[/QUOTE]
    You have failed to understand my point.. Which is you claim people should not make political capital out of the situation and then you make abusive comments about Corbyn, Abbot, the Labour Party and so on..
    Not what is wanted.. And contrary to what you say are your.. Erm... Values??
     
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    Factually incorrect. The UK's credit rating is currently the same as France. Borrowing costs are rock bottom at the moment so makes very little differences not having triple A's

    The UK has outperformed most European countries since the 2008 downturn, creating millions of jobs unlike France, Spain Italy etc. The UK is very good at creating employment. There are currently nine Euro countries, including France, begging the richer nations to create coronavirus bonds to share the cost. This request has been met with total denial amid threats of the end of the project. I believe the UK is better placed to recover than the vast majority of EU countries who already have debt mountains. The UK government is looking to build a highly advanced, high wage economy. The days of solving Europe's unemployment problems are over for the UK.
     
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    You have failed to understand my point.. Which is you claim people should not make political capital out of the situation and then you make abusive comments about Corbyn, Abbot, the Labour Party and so on..
    Not what is wanted.. And contrary to what you say are your.. Erm... Values??[/QUOTE]

    Not at all. I fully explained the purge of non supporting Corbyn MPs, the vast majority, were sidelined after they gave him a vote of no confidence. The small rump left were subsequently devoid of middle of the road politicians with years of experience.
     
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    20 flights arrived yesterday into London from NY.

    There was no social distancing on the plane
    No checks when they arrived.
    These passengers dispersed, many to the Tube.

    Seeing as the situation in NY is so bad, why are there no checks? Many countries now insist on 14 days isolation if you arrive at their airports. Lack of staff, lack of testing equipment, lack of places to hold people? Just why is this not being addressed?
     
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    another fine mess , that the chumps aren’t addressing , why bother with lockdown when it’s open house to import potential carriers by the plane load :angry:
     
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    United Kingdom AA Outlook Negative
    France AA Outlook Stable
    Belgium AA Outlook Stable
    Holland AAA Outlook Stable
    EU AA Outlook Stable

    When you consider that the EU has a better rating than the UK, and is taking in countries that are really struggling, then it shows how poorly the UK is regarded in world economics.
     
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    Borrowing costs for these countries are very similar. France's interest payments are obviously much greater than the UK's having borrowed much more.
    France is already a tinder box during Macron's attempt at reform. I dread to think of these circumstances fuelled by massive extra unemployment.
    Unless Germany, Austria and Holland agree to the new rescue bonds I can see Italy following the UK out of the EU very soon.
     
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    You have been forecasting the breakup of the EU for at least five years now, and strangely the populations across the continent don't seem to agree with you.
    This is not going to be just an EU problem though, it is going to be worldwide problem. With the USA likely to push other countries around to benefit just the USA, world trade is likely to be in meltdown. If the States sneezes the rest of the world gets a cold so goes the saying. It will be the large economies that recover first, and the smaller ones last. It is almost as if some countries could see something one day would happen, and have been forming trading blocks wherever you look.
     
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    Experienced economic experts have been predicting the break up of the EU since 2008. Problems from that period have still not been solved. Italy has had zero growth since then. many countries have massive unemployment. You cannot successfully have a common currency until you have effectively a common government. The problem is the people of Europe do not want that.

    The USA has the EU in its sights with well advanced plans to load on extra tariffs. On the other hand it is working flat out to increase the large amount of trade it already does with the UK. The EU is in a mess, financially, politically and socially. It has two weeks to fudge an agreement before it starts losing even more member states.
     
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    I seem to remember the EU, EEC, EC, signees to the Treaty of Rome - whatever you want to call it - survived perfectly well before our inclusion.
     
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    Your evidence for this, Mr Facts?
     
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    Answer the question.
    Do ‘folk’ include the government?

    And would ‘behaving responsibly’ include not lying?
     
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    Insider reports saying the lectern has to be bolted down for Gove. :emoticon-0127-lipss
     
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    Well I said that you had been forecasting the demise of the EU for five years, but you say that the experts have been saying it of twelve years. Doesn't that make the forecasts even more laughable?

    As I suggested a small country outside a large block will get pushed around to do deals with whoever will give them one. This is just normal in trade talks, and to only have one large country in your sights is not very clever.
     
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    I read the same about his shoes...
     
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    There’s one in his neck, too. :emoticon-0138-think
     
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    The experts can clearly identify a joint fiscal system that is unworkable, and has proved unworkable. The EU has been a negative experience for several Southern European member states. The EU barely survived the previous shock, this is much bigger. Member states are now, naturally, looking after their own interests, the pretence of unity has washed away.

    The UK is negotiating to join other trading blocks. Brexit has come at a good time. There should be much less need for dogma and a greater need to trade for mutual benefit.
     
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    I think that one's there in an attempt to stop him from sniffing and drinking.

    Shame it doesn't work.
     
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    Another press conference with all difficult questions ignored. Shifting the blame to China for the UK not being prepared suggested Gove earlier today. Question about what he meant ignored and a very quick retreat. We will now start to blame the population for not doing what they have been told. Anyone who is taken in with this waffle really needs help. It almost slipped out that this could possibly go on for six months if their models don't work. Are the figures correct? Waffle, waffle. They will be eventually. This nonsense is an insult to us all.:steam:
     
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