Coronavirus. Just Coronavirus.

We as taxpayers are going to be footing the bill for everything that has happened over the last 3 1/2 months.

We'll be paying for this the rest of our lives.

 

I've said from Day 1 that it is/was a hugely damaging reaction to a virus that is predominantly killing folk who are elderly and at the end of their lives.

• The Economic damage will lead to excess deaths, the last recession when the economy contracted by 8% led to between 250,000-500,000 premature deaths due to falling living standards.
  
• There has been over 1m cancelled cancer screenings possible leading to 35,000 cancer deaths.
• They have forced working class kids out of schools despite kids being more likely to die in the car journey to school than dying of the disease. Many of the kids who are struggling the most at school will now be consigned to a lifetime of reduced earnings as they've gone 6 months without school

Not only has the UK had the second worst deaths per million in the world, our economy has also taken the biggest hit.

We knew from what happened in Italy and Spain was that the elderly were more at risk, those with existing morbidities were at risk, the Govt's did not protect these people and also tanked the economy and eduction in one fell swoop and ran up an eye watering debt in the process, wiped out 18 months of economic growth in 2 months.

Starmer should be wiping the floor with them but instead, he's going on a subconscious bias awareness course because he dared to stand up to BLM.

The country's ****ed.

Our politicians are the worst in modern history, have no experience of the real world and are being influenced by trends on Twitter and likes on social media.

 

ICU were all below capacity from the accounts of actual ICU nurses who I know and going by the stats available at PHE.

I am willing to make a bet, very large in fact, that there will be no excess deaths this year.

@mongose can you arrange transaction.

 

You joking right? We're already on 60k+

ICU was not at capacity BECAUSE we had a lockdown. A ****ty one, but a lockdown. Read some accounts of peeps that had the virus, it sounds ****ed. Antibody tests are proving that most peeps didn't catch it, let's see how round 2 goes.

 

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Ok we'll go for a 2yr period.

We have 45k deaths with Covid. I suspect that for the rest of the year, possibly 2 year period, we will have less than normally expected deaths.

We are already seeing less than average deaths for the past two weeks.

ICU was not at capacity because it was never going to be despite the Govts being responsible for at least 50% of the deaths after shipping pensioners out of hospitals and into care homes without testing them for CV19.

The lockdown was not required. The infection rate has been falling since the beginning of March with folk being more hygienic and washing their paws. "At risk" people should take extra precautions, the rest should get on with their lives as best as possible.

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You're just looking at people that died. Have you read any accounts of people that had the virus badly?

 

Like Mikel Arteta and Paulo Dybala.

I reckon some folk got it bad and others less so.

Think about all the folk who tested positive and didn't even know they had it.

My sister says that in Lux, they are testing everyone and 80% of those testing positive don't even know they've got it.

 

How is your sister?

 

I watched a documentary where a film crew followed an Italian ICU Doctor, through the height of the crisis. It was pretty harrowing stuff. Italy’s health service was completely overwhelmed, people were dying on trolleys in car parks.

I think it was the NHS, rather than the actual infected people, that we went into lockdown to protect. I don’t envy the people making those decisions tbf. I also believe that when and if a second wave comes, the determining factor will be, can our hospitals cope with anotger influx of patients? If the answer is yes, I expect we’ll all be asked to crack on and take the hit.

I don’t think the virus was as deadly as was first feared. I’ve been reading a bit about Spanish Flu, that really caused devastation. We dodged a bullet this time I think.

 

Yup, Spanish Flu killed approximately 40 million. Surprisingly it's hardly mentioned much at all.

 

But in Spain where they were hit bad only a tiny % of the population have antibodies.

Read some of the after-effects of it on normal healthy people, sounds ****ed. We'll see after this winter, there's that new pig flu and the bubonic plague lurking too just in case

Meat eating ****s

 

Negative

 

Fantastic news

You ever been to Ronnie's Bar and Bike Shop or whatever it is called? Where is it anyway?

 

Oh definitely, it doesn't kill people that effectively, it ****s people up though. They don't understand enough about how/why it hits some people so bad, but without a lockdown I've no doubt the hospitals would have been overloaded. They cancelled all appointments ffs. If we had an NHS that wasn't a ****ing shambles we could have run both at once, instead they built death beds in a ****ty event room.

 

They didn't have a lockdown in Sweden and their hospitals haven't been overloaded despite them not protecting care homes either. Using the discredited modelling used by the Govt's advisors, then Sweden should have had 100,000 dead by June 1st, at present, they have 5300 deaths so there is absolutely no way that the UKs ICU capacity would have been breached.

There is absolutely zero evidence anywhere that lockdown had the desired effect. The two-step thinking leads folk to make the assumption that it did work but Japan, with the oldest population in the world, three megacities has had under 977 deaths despite having 130m people.

If you are old, unfit, have underlying health issues, are obese, then if you get the virus, you will probably suffer with the virus and might be **** you up but with 80% of people being asymptomatic, then the vast majority of people will be fine.

Ultimately, our politicians have been "led by the science" which is just coward speak for "we are not willing to make a political decision".

They are not fit for purpose and being governed by risk averse simpletons in the general population making their voices heard on Twitter.

 

SWG3

Never been.

Glasgow's leisure scene was flourishing prior to this pish. Just hope it doesn't go tits up now.

You ever had a **** outside when you've been by yourself?

 

Loads of times.

 

Sweden has a small population, is not densely populated, and was always confident it’s well funded health system could cope.

Compared to neighbouring Finland, Norway and Denmark, the number of infections and deaths was a lot higher (insert pretendy graph here)