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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by - Doing The Lambert Walk, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. StJabbo1

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  2. davecg69

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    This is dreadful - what is happening? Can’t people see it’s all down to the government? It’s them they should be protesting against!
    (Sorry - probably should be on the politics thread ….)
     
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  3. StJabbo1

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    It's CV related belongs here.

    Not just a UK thing ****ing bonkers twats worldwide with threats and violent protests.
     
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    Doors and bolting horses.
     
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  5. Ian Thumwood

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    I am quite surprised that Nicola Sturgeon's measures about targeting travel from Greater Manchester in to Scotland has not been picked up in this thread. It raises some quite interesting questions. It is a sensible measure which has unwittingly exposed the failures of Andy Burnham. I had no idea he was also mayor of Bolton and therefore has two roles, both of which imply a degree of control over areas which have particularly high Covid rates. Setting aside the fact that Sturgeon's measures are totally logical and common sense, I was amused as how ruthlessly she has dismissed his protestations. You almost feel that she has co tempt for him and sees his argument as political maneuvering ahead of a bid for leadership of the Labour Party. I had to laugh at her response ! Most people are going to support her position and I would suspect that much of England will be fed up that it is the NW of England which is again leading the Covid infection rates. I feel sorry for the couple who cannot have their wedding in Scotland and have to remain in Manchester but I also think that Scotland will have to look after it's own interests as Boris certainly won't. People forget that the spike in infections in Aberdeen last summer as caused by an oil rig worker from Manchester who went on a pub crawl after testing positive and being denied access to the rigs. If you like, Manchester already has "form" at exporting Covid to Scotland.

    This is, however, a double edged sword. I would be interested to know what measures Sturgeon implemented to prevent the Kent variant from spreading from England in to Scotland last autumn. Is this a case of "lessons learned" and how can the measures be enhanced to prevent the virus crossing the border (in either direction) should Scotland or England incubate a new strain of the virus ? I personally feel that a "targeted" travel ban as implemented by the First Minister has the disadvantage of seeming to be vindictive and even nationalistic yet I feel it is common sense. How it is managed may well be a different thing! I would also hope that NS would be similarly sympathetic if Westminster banned travel from Glasgow where Covid infections have also been high and we have already witnessed the behavior of it;s citizens when Rangers supporters celebrated their league win. Will she take it on the chin if Boris says "no travel from Glasgow?"

    The other question, of course, is much wider and I feel presents people looking for Scottish independence with a awkward question to answer. This question is how does an independent Scotland protect itself from a reckless English government whose motives may , wittingly or unwittingly, be totally against the interests of Scotland? For example, how would an independent Scotland prevent the transmission of Covid across it's borders and how effective would a travel ban in Scotland be if this did not apply to the rest of the British Isles. The impact of the Westminster government (of whatever political colour) on an independent Scotland has always fascinated me because there will be many area such as taxation, foreign policy, etc, etc where decisions in Westminster will have a bearing in Scotland and the Scottish people will have no say in these matters if they are not represented in Westminster. Scotland is such a small country that it will be dictated by whatever political tides are in effect in England. Scottish measures to prevent the spread or management of Covid will be effected by how her southern neighbour behaves and if the epidemic has demonstrated that Scotland functions better under it;s own management as opposed to Westminster, it has also exposed how fragile their independence would become. A reckless PM like Boris has the potential to do a lot of vicarious damage to Scotland or at least have undue influence.. It begs the question as whether Scotland still needs representation in Westminster post-independence and whether she can ever be truly independent. I am not convinced that lack of representation in Westminster is in Scotland's interest and feel that independence would leave Scotland subject to the whims of Westminster more than has been envisaged and with no way of influencing an English / Welsh parliament.
     
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  6. Libby

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    I think Burnham was right to label her a hypocrite tbh. To announce this without discussing it with local leaders in Manchester is the exact sort of thing she's moaned about in the past.

    Don't get the Sturgeon love in either. The Scottish Farage.
     
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    Why is she a hypocrite ? She`s taking prompt, short-term action to minimise the risk. Something BJ has been incapable of. As for Burnham, he`s just posturing to seem like the good guy sticking up for his locals. As Ian pointed out, Nicola imposed a local lock-down in Aberdeen last year precisely because an infected individual travelled to the city from Manchester by train, despite having already been denied boarding on a flight. Said individual was then denied boarding a chopper to travel offshore - so he went downtown on the piss, and infected numerous others.
     
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  8. Libby

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    She has moaned previously when Boris has taken action which has affected Scotland without consulting her first. She's literally just done the exact same thing to Gtr Manchester.
     
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    She does what she deems necessary, based on advice from specialists, to protect the people who live in Scotland - Boris imposed measures which may not have been appropriate for Scotland unilaterally, and without consulting the Scottish government, and health specialists. Different situation.
    She is buying time to prevent a surge in cases until such time as everyone is vaccinated. What is compromising this approach, for us all, are those who can be vaccinated but won`t.
     
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  10. Libby

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    It's only different because you like one not the other. I happen to think they're both ****s.
     
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    Best description of the two, by far <laugh>
     
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    TBF all politicians are ****s.
     
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    Some ****s are useful, gatemouthed gobshite Farage and spaffer Johnson not in that category
     
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    Way to deflect the point being made just so you could shoehorn in two people that you spend an inordinate amount of time paying attention to, considering your hatred of them. There’s a point it just becomes funny to laugh at.

    Imagine hating someone and their policies so much that you spend every opportunity thinking about them. Wow.
     
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    No . Not all are .
     
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    Long covid, there's a link to a report in the article about the number of people with it.
     
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    Some positive news coming out of the test event results.

    Only ten cases from two club nights with 3100 and 3900 people respectively tells me that 19th July absolutely needs to go ahead.
     
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