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  1. Steelmonkey

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    Seeing a fair bit of this on Twitter as well. Parents and children getting positive tests and still sending them to school.
     
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    The Covid hysteria is getting worse
    From magazine issue: 19 September 2020

    Readers may recall a column last month that laid out powerful evidence for the proposition that the ethnic and racial disparities for dire Covid outcomes are overwhelmingly due to obesity. While I also read the piece aloud for posting online, fewer of you will have listened to the audio rendition. That’s because YouTube took it down.

    The explanation was pro forma: the column violated the site’s opaque ‘community guidelines’. An appeal produced the further explanation: ‘YouTube does not allow content that spreads medical misinformation that contradicts the World Health Organisation or local health authorities’ medical information about Covid-19, including on methods to prevent, treat, or diagnose Covid-19 and means of transmission of Covid-19. Learn more.’ Thus if I were to ‘learn more’ from YouTube, I would only be allowed to absorb information in lockstep with the government line.

    You may also recall that my loony, irresponsible text, imperilling the lives of grandparents everywhere, was based on a large study conducted by researchers at Columbia University, whose results were published in the New York Times. Gosh, the sicko anti-vaxxer tin-hatters now lurk in the most alarmingly legitimate boltholes.

    Scads of people now use YouTube and Facebook as their primary sources of news, so the platforms’ increasingly heavy-handed censorship is alone a concern. Yet with the UK circling the toilet bowl in the name of public health, our restricted access to diverse viewpoints on the pandemic is an even graver threat than the ‘mere’ curtailment of free speech.

    Let’s start with the definition. We should rightly worry about a second wave of deaths. Covid fatalities have been rumpling along the X-axis at barely above zero for two months. But Boris has brought down the hammer on treacherous convocations of seven people, even outside, because of a rise in cases. Ergo, a ‘second wave’ will be defined as a surge in cases, even if deaths remain negligible and admissions to hospitals presently half-empty barely rise.

    This escalation of cases for the last month has a host of explanations, one being that lockdowns only delay infections so long as the virus is still circulating at all. Lockdowns do not save lives, unless we lock down for ever, in which case I suggest we all procure a mercifully deadly dose of cyanide. The other obvious cause is vastly ramped-up testing, which identifies the asymptomatic.

    Testing also turns up false positives, estimated at roughly 2 per cent. When you account for the fact that PCR tests are wildly oversensitive, and thus systematically stigmatise loads of people who merely carry a kind of viral flotsam and are not infectious, the real false positivity rate is much higher. With widespread testing that produces a high percentage of false positives, we will always appear to be amid a raging epidemic. This nightmare will never be over. And the authorities’ suffocating restrictions for our ‘own good’ won’t ever be over, either.

    That’s why the ‘moonshot’ proposal to get us to test ourselves every day as automatically as we brush our teeth has activated the few dormant cells in my brain that are vulnerable to conspiracy theories. Daily testing of 67 million people would, if nothing else, produce a bumper crop of false positives. It would have the happy side benefit of inducing permanently heightened anxiety in us serfs: more terrorism. It’s a formula for maintaining a state of emergency until the end of time. At an eye-popping cost of £100 billion, it would also, by the by, help ensure sovereign bankruptcy.

    On encountering Chris Whitty’s baleful announcement that the UK is ‘on the edge of losing control’ of the virus, I can’t have been alone in spewing coffee all over a new iPad. Our betters have never controlled the virus. They’ve just controlled us.

    They’re not planning to stop controlling us. This government is starting to behave as if it wants a second wave, ideally even worse than the first, and a second lockdown, ideally even worse than the first as well. Otherwise, we wake up one day and realise: oh, excess deaths for 2020 weren’t all that high compared to previous years with especially bad flu. Most of us are still here. And the country is in shambles. The finger-pointing could grow unpleasant.

    Pay less attention to case numbers. Primarily attend to deaths, and secondarily to hospital admissions (also paltry for the last two months). Only the lethality of this disease has justified the wholesale destruction of our social lives, our work lives, our livelihoods, and our civil rights — including freedom of speech, apparently. If draconian measures are triggered by an uptick in mere ‘cases’, which for the most part do not represent people gravely or terminally ill, the country could be plunged into repeated lockdowns to suppress the head cold.

    WRITTEN BYLionel Shriver
    Lionel Shriver is a columnist at The Spectator and author of We Need to Talk About Kevin, among other books.

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    Isn't it the number of positive cases that is said to be doubling every 8 days, not hospitalisations?
     
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    I thought it quite logical that once schools open then the rate of transmission will increase.
     
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    Rumour going round that a two week nationwide full lockdown will be announced soon.

    Don’t shoot the messenger. Comes from a group which is regularly used as a ‘tester’ for reactions to policy announcements. Though presumably not for much longer if it’s this leaky.
     
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    This morning Matt Hancock was softening us up for that decision too.
    Not a total lockdown...schools will remain open, as will workplaces and of course essential workers, but we will be back to being locked in our houses aithout our social bubble.

    Seems as though this will be their last attempt to claim back control, and I think they have lost so much respect that it will not work.
    As said before, I'm stock piling:- toilet rolls, tin tomatoes and plasterboard
     
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    Opinion polls show that most people have been sufficiently spooked by the 'spike' in cases (even though deaths and hospitalisations haven't shown any significant increase) that they are gagging for another lockdown, so it will happen.

    Madness.
     
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    I'm not gagging for another lockdown...I'm off to cinema this afternoon. Last week saw Tenet....hubbie and I at front...one other couple at the back ...in a 200 seat cinema. Felt very safe
     
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    I'm looking forward to seeing Tenet. How about a review on the Review Thread, Beth?
     
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    Re hospitalisations and deaths, keep your eyes on France and Spain. Hopefully won’t reach the levels of April, but on the rise. We are, as always, a couple of weeks behind. Two weeks ago the number of infections was booming in the 20-35 age group, those pretty unlikely to get seriously ill. Now, apparently, the age cohort roughly 40-60 is catching up. Hopefully self isolation amongst the more elderly will reduce a spike in the particularly vulnerable age group.

    Given that we now apparently have zero capacity to test and trace the various levels of lockdown are the only crude weapons left to government to demonstrate that it is doing something, even if no one seems to know if it makes any difference. Threats include not even allowing exercise this time. I suspect this is a bomb they can only use once, and they would be better off saving it until we are well into the winter.

    Have you read any of Lionel Shriver’s fiction? Strange bedfellows indeed Strolls my friend.
     
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    No exercise? Now that would be utter madness.

    No, I haven't read any of Shriver's fiction but I was struck by the Spectator piece, which is somewhat confused but fairly accurately reflects my thoughts.

    She's not as strange a bedfellow as some others of mine on this issue.
     
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    They said hospitalisations on breakfast tv.
    Thing is, there's always an alternative view from knowledgeable experts.

    I'm ****ed if I know what to believe anymore.
     
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    Nothing to worry about....

    On Friday, the UK recorded a further 4,322 confirmed cases of coronavirus - the first time the daily total of positive tests has exceeded 4,000 since 8 May.
    Another 27 deaths were also reported within 28 days of a positive test......

    Ms Sturgeon warned that the country was following the path of France, which four weeks ago was in the same position that Scotland is now.

    It is now seeing 10,000 new cases a day, with hundreds of people in intensive care and the number of deaths increasing.
     
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    Nothing to see here.
    No need to worry.

    Let's just stick our fingers in our ears and carry on regardless.
     
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    I fully intend to carry on regardless. You can keep washing your money.
     
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    Head in the sand.
     
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    That's quite hard with your fingers in your ears.
     
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    Not looking too clever now.
     
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