1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Off Topic Coronavirus

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Sooperhoop, Feb 8, 2020.

  1. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2013
    Messages:
    22,393
    Likes Received:
    21,788
    We're off to Sweden.
     
    #13041
  2. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    110,535
    Likes Received:
    215,301
    The Coronavirus Experts Were Wrong, Now They Need Scapegoats
    It’s not about fighting the virus, but punishing political and cultural enemies.

    Thu Oct 15, 2020
    Daniel Greenfield
    404
    AddThis Sharing Buttons
    Share to FacebookShare to TwitterShare to MoreShare to Print
    please log in to view this image

    Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamic terrorism.

    The problem isn’t just the China Virus. It’s that we adopted the China Model to fight it.

    Public health experts adopted China’s draconian lockdowns without knowing how well they really worked and in a country that, fortunately, lacks the power to truly enforce them.

    China’s deceptiveness and lack of transparency meant that we did not know how well anything that the Communist dictatorship did to battle the virus that it spawned actually worked. Despite that, our public health experts, and those of most free countries, adopted the China Model.

    We don’t know how well the China Model worked for the People’s Republic of China, but it failed in every free country that tried it. Lockdowns eventually gave way to reopenings and new waves of infection. This was always going to happen because not even the more socialist European countries have the police state or the compliant populations of a Communist dictatorship.

    Desperate, the public health experts adopted China’s compulsive mask wearing, a cultural practice that predates the virus, as if wearing a few flimsy scraps of fiber would fix everything.

    It hadn’t and it didn’t.

    But by then the public health experts and the media that had touted them were moving fully into the scapegoat portion of the crisis. The China Model had failed, all that was left was shifting the blame to more conservative and traditional populations, and away from the cultural elites.

    In New York City that meant falsely blaming Chassidic Jews for the second wave. From Maine to San Francisco, Democrat leaders and their media blamed conservative Christian gatherings. Their national counterparts loudly blamed President Trump for not wearing a mask all the time.

    A New York Times headline captured the cynical broad spectrum cultural scapegoating with, "N.Y.C. Threatens Orthodox Jewish Areas on Virus, but Trump’s Impact Is Seen."

    The uncomfortable truth was that the lockdowns had failed economically, socially, and medically.

    Even blue states and cities were no longer able to carry the impossible economic burden much longer. The Black Lives Matter riots and the onset of summer broke the #StayHome taboos, and medically, the lockdowns had been useless efforts to meet a fake crisis of hospital overflows.

    America, like too many other countries, put the experts in charge and they failed. Miserably.

    Democrats claimed that they were superior because they were “listening to the science”. They weren’t listening to the science, which is not an oracle and does not give interviews. Instead, they were obeying a class of officials, some of them whom weren’t even medical professionals, who impressed elected officials and the public with statistical sleight of hand. And little else.

    The entire lockdown to testing to reopening pipeline that we adopted wholesale was a typical bureaucratic and corporate exercise, complete with the illusion of metrics and goals, that suffered from all the typical problems of bureaucracy, academia, and corporate culture.

    The system that determines reopenings and closings is an echo chamber that measures its own functioning while having little to do with the real world. Testing has become a cargo cult exercise that confuses the map with the world, and the virus with the spreadsheet. It gamifies fighting the pandemic while dragging entire countries into an imaginary world based on its invented rules.

    When the media reports a rise or decrease in positive tests, it’s treated as if it’s an assessment of the virus, rather than an incomplete data point that measures its own measurements.

    The daily coronavirus reports have become the equivalent of Soviet harvest reports. They sound impressive, mean absolutely nothing, and are the pet obsession of a bureaucracy that not only has no understanding of the problem, but its grip on power has made it the problem.

    The smarter medical professionals understand that the theories have failed, while the administrators who put the theories into practice confused their system with science. The politicians listen to the administrators and when they tell us to trust the science, they mean the bureaucracy. The medical professionals can’t and won’t backtrack now. It’s too late.

    The best and brightest spent the worst part of a year shuffling rationales like a gambler’s trick deck, wrecked the economy, and sent tens of thousands of infected patients into nursing homes to infect the residents, accounting for at least a third of the national coronavirus death toll.

    Like most national leadership disasters, it was a combination of misjudgement, understandable mistakes, tragic errors, and acts of incomprehensible stupidity or unmitigated evil.

    A lot of people are dead, a lot more are out of work, and the problem is far from solved. Someone will have to be blamed and they certainly don’t want it to be themselves.

    The lockdown and the rule of the public health experts has become too big to fail.

    Mistakes were made, as the saying goes. Projections were built based on bad and incomplete data. Everyone followed the path of least resistance by doing what China had done. And everyone in the system, from the experts to the administrators to the politicians to the media, is complicit. That makes the massive error the world has been living under too big to fail.

    There are only two choices left. Admit the magnitude of the mistake or find someone to blame.

    The establishment that touted the experts is blaming its political and cultural enemies, the people it has been priming the public to see as strange, selfish, irrational, and dangerous. And also the very people who have been the loudest opponents of lockdown culture.

    Given a choice between admitting the system was wrong or blaming the system’s failure on its critics, the establishment has followed the same pattern as every authoritarian leftist regime.

    The lockdowns didn’t fail, they were failed by conservative Christians and Jews, by President Trump, by people who were too selfish to give up their lives, businesses, and religion for the greater good. And if only they had, the coronavirus would be gone and everything would be fine.

    The China Model promised something that its proponents quickly knew it couldn’t deliver. Everything since then has been a scam to cover up the original quackery and hackery. The louder they blame critics and dissenters for the failure, the more obvious the coverup becomes.

    Lockdown culture needs patsies to take the fall for why it didn’t work. Like every leftist social and economic experiment, its defenders are left to argue that it was never properly tried. If only it weren’t for Trump, and for the dissenters, for the Chassidic Jews in Brooklyn, for Christian weddings in San Francisco and Maine, for gyms, bars, and beaches, it would have worked.

    Yet the simple truth is that the China Model hasn’t worked in any country that isn’t China.

    It doesn’t matter who the leader or the ruling party are, whether the public wore or didn’t wear masks, the resurgence is not a political phenomenon, science doesn’t speak, and the virus doesn’t listen. But of all the countries in the world, America was especially ill-fitted to adopt an authoritarian public health model. The sheer size, openness, and diversity of the country makes us unique and should have made it abundantly obvious that no such system would work.

    Anyone but an expert or administrator would have understood that these plans were doomed.

    But what the system failed to accomplish in battling the virus, it made up for by providing the leadership that had enacted it with a wonderful opportunity to settle its political scores.

    The lockdowns don’t exist anymore as a prophylactic policy, but as a political vendetta. The more people die, the more businesses are ruined, the more everyone suffers, the more vicious the vendetta grows as it hunts for scapegoats, political and religious, for the great error of terror.

    Leftist regimes turn to political terror as their policies fail. When the idealism dies, and the theories fall apart, the organizers pursue misery for the sake of misery, using fear, deprivation, and hate to maintain their grip on power while crushing the political threats to their rule.

    The rule of the experts isn’t fighting the virus. It has become the virus.
     
    #13042
  3. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    110,535
    Likes Received:
    215,301
    apparently bill gates reckons if you don't get vaccinated you shouldn't be allowed to have a job

    please log in to view this image
     
    #13043
  4. SW Ranger

    SW Ranger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2011
    Messages:
    7,104
    Likes Received:
    7,664
    Can’t be true ... I’m sure someone said it was Bill Gates that was behind all this virus

    ... oh no, he’s banned now isn’t he.
     
    #13044
    mapleranger and kiwiqpr like this.
  5. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

    Joined:
    May 11, 2011
    Messages:
    110,535
    Likes Received:
    215,301
    he has history with virus's and selling protection from them
    please log in to view this image
     
    #13045
  6. qprbeth

    qprbeth Wicked Witch of West12
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2011
    Messages:
    14,432
    Likes Received:
    12,676
    Anyone watching the C4 program about Trump and the Pandemic.

    Really scary stuff...makes Boris look like a saint
     
    #13046
    mapleranger and Steelmonkey like this.
  7. Tramore Ranger

    Tramore Ranger Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2011
    Messages:
    14,642
    Likes Received:
    8,527
    Just been announced that we go into level 5 from midnight Wednesday for 6 weeks....effectively a lockdown with only essential retail, schools and construction open......alot of businesses will not survive this.....
     
    #13047
  8. qprbeth

    qprbeth Wicked Witch of West12
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2011
    Messages:
    14,432
    Likes Received:
    12,676
    That is awful
    What's your infection rate in your part of Ireland Tramore.

    Does this infection rate warrant another lockdown in your opinion
     
    #13048
  9. Tramore Ranger

    Tramore Ranger Well-Known Member
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2011
    Messages:
    14,642
    Likes Received:
    8,527
    Nationally around 265 per 100k.......

    But huge county discrepancies....

    Cavan 825
    Meath 490
    Monaghan 365

    All the way down to Tipperary 118

    Here in Waterford we're 3rd lowest at 145

    The idea is to basically save Christmas by reducing infection rate to a level that can be dealt with during that period and expecting the rate to go up again during January......we currently have in excess of 1000 new covid cases per day which is unsustainable so most of us knew this was coming down the line....
     
    #13049
  10. finglasqpr

    finglasqpr Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2011
    Messages:
    6,275
    Likes Received:
    3,647
    Just to add on the situation over here;

    Elite sport will continue. The GAA Championship is about to start and will continue. League of Ireland football clubs are almost finished their season and that will also continue. Dundalk are due to play in the group stages of the Europa League over the next couple of months.

    The Irish 6 nations rugby team will complete their last 2 games over the next 2 weekends.

    Creche's/schools and colleges will all remain open as long as possible. Kids breaking up this Friday for Halloween half term break.

    Essential retail will remain open. The definition of essential is all food outlets, petrol stations, pharmacies, and those who sell or repair electrical goods and appliances.

    The challenge is to get the numbers of infections down so we can all have some sort of family Christmas.
     
    #13050
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2020

  11. QPR999

    QPR999 Well-Known Member
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2011
    Messages:
    21,268
    Likes Received:
    18,014


    This is an interesting read regarding our Irish brothers ...

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1318262666322993152.html
     
    #13051
  12. finglasqpr

    finglasqpr Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2011
    Messages:
    6,275
    Likes Received:
    3,647
    The majority of the Irish population would disagree with those conclusions 999's.

    61% of people polled this evening before the final restrictions were announced said they were in favor of more restrictions being introduced.
     
    #13052
    QPR999 likes this.
  13. QPR999

    QPR999 Well-Known Member
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2011
    Messages:
    21,268
    Likes Received:
    18,014
    They're are deliberately being scared mate.
     
    #13053
  14. Woodyhoopleson

    Woodyhoopleson Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2011
    Messages:
    3,806
    Likes Received:
    2,523
    I’d have thought the ones who will be hit hard might want a little more debate and clarification on the immunity question.
     
    #13054
  15. finglasqpr

    finglasqpr Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2011
    Messages:
    6,275
    Likes Received:
    3,647
    There is no point discussing this subject with both of you lads. To my mind, people living in denial are helping to spread the virus further. You would obviously disagree.

    We will all just have to accept each other's opinion and move on.
     
    #13055
    BobbyD, rangercol, qprbeth and 3 others like this.
  16. QPR999

    QPR999 Well-Known Member
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2011
    Messages:
    21,268
    Likes Received:
    18,014
    What was that video you posted a couple of years ago that promoted designed chaos? Seems more appropriate now.
     
    #13056
  17. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2012
    Messages:
    29,294
    Likes Received:
    26,720
    I have no recollection mate. Sounds good though.

    Oh, perhaps it was The Trap by Adam Curtis. Not designed chaos I think, a world run on Game Theory. I like his ideas but he takes them all a little too far.
     
    #13057
    QPR999 likes this.
  18. QPR999

    QPR999 Well-Known Member
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2011
    Messages:
    21,268
    Likes Received:
    18,014
    There is no virus Fingy, it's gone. It's passed and we need to move on. ( If not here in the next few weeks, I take back what I said. )
     
    #13058
  19. QPR999

    QPR999 Well-Known Member
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2011
    Messages:
    21,268
    Likes Received:
    18,014
    I think that's the one <ok>
     
    #13059
  20. finglasqpr

    finglasqpr Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2011
    Messages:
    6,275
    Likes Received:
    3,647
    Gosh 999's, that comment shocks me.

    You have either been listening to Donald Trump and his buddies too much or you are taking some sort of hallucinate substance which is affecting your brain. Over 40 million people have been infected in the world and 1.122 million people have died.

    Do you believe 6 million Jews were murdered by the Nazis during the Second World War or was that a figment of somebody's imagination too?

    As I've said, there is no point in discussing this subject further with you because you are in denial.
     
    #13060
    rangercol and QPR Oslo like this.

Share This Page