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Dr Strangelove (how I learned to stop worrying and love Boris)

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  1. The Exile II

    The Exile II Well-Known Member

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    More or less credible than someone who cries irrelevant when it's one side ****ing up, but all over the other side ****ing up?
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

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    24 Nov 2022

    "Boris Johnson and Liz Truss have joined a growing Tory backbench rebellion against Rishi Sunak’s refusal to allow new onshore wind projects in England, in another challenge to the levelling up bill."

    "The addition of Johnson and Truss to the rebel ranks adds to the pressure on Sunak over the issue of windfarms, and the wider sense that he lacks authority as the third prime minister since the election, and one who was appointed without a vote of Tory members."
     
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  3. The Exile II

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    I presume Gordon Brown's coronation is irrelevant here, yes?

    Which means we're talking about onshore wind, which just so happens to be my new area of expertise. Did Sunak give any reasoning? Noise, birds, landscape and visual? Aircraft Detection Lighting System?
     
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    What the **** has Gordon Brown got to do with this current clusterfuck ...
     
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  5. Smug in Boots

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    Again, he misses the point.

    The issue is that the Government is split and can't agree on anything ...

    ... the subject is irrelevant.

    Three PM's, all there on the same ticket, and can't agree on what day it is.
     
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    Maybe ministers, and the NHS chief exec should take your advice....you know, to gain the knowledge required to have a credible opinion.
     
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  7. The Exile II

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    Of course it's irrelevant, it's something you don't want to think about.

    By your logic, Johnson should have replaced Truss as he was the only one with a mandate.
     
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  8. Smug in Boots

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    <laugh>

    Nice idea but it wouldn't work ...

    ... to have a truly credible opinion you also need to have watched Penny Mordaunt in Splash
     
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    You git, was trying to erase that from my memory <laugh>
     
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  10. The Exile II

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    It's too big an organization for one person to know everything about how it works and be in a position to make anything but the most general decisions without those experts.

    The buck stops at several places.
     
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  11. The Exile II

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    He's another PM that was installed without consulting party or country.

    Irrelevant though as not Tory.
     
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  12. Smug in Boots

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    From memory I think Brown was shadow Chancellor and Chancellor for about fifteen years and Blair was elected with Brown in that role. So voters knew they'd be getting Brown as the highest ranking Minister after the PM.

    I don't think Sunak was either in the shadow Cabinet when Johnson was elected and wasn't appointed as a Minister. He was nothing but a virtually unknown secretary from memory.

    Your ridiculous bias will blind you and make you claim there's no difference ...

    ... your automatic responses are what destroys your credibility.
     
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  13. The Exile II

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    Sunak was chancellor for two and a half years. Not exactly an unknown quantity. People were talking about him as Johnson's replacement right through COVID.

    Still, doesn't change the fact that Brown was installed in exactly the same way as Sunak, but only one of these installations is a problem to you. Ridiculous bias? Looks like it to me. I don't agree with either installation but I can understand why both were done. While you discount one of them entirely.

    Anything on the subject of onshore wind?
     
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  14. Smug in Boots

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    You've missed the point yet again, deliberately no doubt.

    Waste of time trying to reason with someone like you.
     
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  15. The Exile II

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    You're not reasoning. You're throwing your toys out of the pram because I'm not reflecting your own opinion back at you.

    If all you can cope with is what you want to hear, there are plenty of other sites available that will do just that for you.
     
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  16. Smug in Boots

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    So stop responding to my posts, simple.
     
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  17. The Exile II

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    Or you can stop responding to mine.

    I can cope with you disagreeing with me.
     
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    I was having a read about this earlier. Something for work. There is some detail behind the headline, as is often the case. Sunak proposed these changes when chancellor and bankers and regulators didnt like them. Then in the last budget changes were made, with agreement, that allowed for some of what was proposed to happen. A compromise. So now the original proposal is dropped, because it has been superceded.

    It is interesting the FT see it is a backing down. Maybe it is. It seems more like a compromise deal between adults to me. Happens all the time in my experience. It is a negotiation. I go in high, knowing the other side will push back, then we negotiate and agree a deal we can both work with. Of course the govt, if they want, can just force things through, but it wouldnt be an effective way to work with key stakeholders.

    As I have said before our media need to be taken with a large pinch of salt. Headlines are oftentimes exagerrated to draw the reader in. This one really isnt a major problem really, but probably doesnt tell the full story. At worst both parties 'backed down', at best both parties did their job. In my opinion anyway.
     
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  19. Smug in Boots

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    Done, so that's that.
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

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    I didn't read any of the details tbh and don't think it's a major issue ...

    ... my point was that it's just one more example of the divisions in the party.
     
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