Game Over For Ole

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  1. Treble

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    He needs to go. Simple as.

    He should walk, just resign orr sack him.

    To think I actually believed he would at least make it to the end of the season. But a month into the season, with this squad at his disposal, he's proved without a shadow of doubt he's not good enough.

    Losing to Young Boys in the CL. Losing to West Ham (at home) and getting knocked out of the League Cup. Now losing to Villa (at home again) in the league.

    His home record is fcking appalling. I thought last season with empty stadiums it was a blip, but this season is showing it's him, not outside forces.

    Guaranteed we won't win anything with him. He has to go now.
     
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    Oh and one more thing.

    If he stays it's only a matter of time before he loses the dressing room. If he hasn't already.
     
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    <laugh> fair enough.

    Original post from earlier;



    I know it's one match.

    But, if you focus on today and then realise that a game played concurrently was between two of your main rivals so one or both of those isgoing to drop points, you know that you have to pick up three points.

    At home, to Aston Villa. Good side but mid table if truth be told. Neither contenders or relegation candidates.

    So you then lose that match!

    Solskjaer made two like for like substitutions due to injuries prior to the 80th minute. Dalot for Shaw, Lindelof for Maguire.

    It wasn't until the 82nd minute that Cavani came on. Too late, soz.


    If the above doesn't tell everyone that Solskjaer is not the man to manage Manchester United and never will be, then ****ing nothing ever will.

    This season will be once again wasted, we'll win nothing, and then he'll hopefully be moved along.

    You do not lose at home to Aston Villa when two title 'rivals' are playing each other.
     
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    The sad thing is (and this has happened countless times before in the past which have masked the mediocrity) he'll be saved because Chelsea and Livpl dropped points today so despite the fact he's lost 3 games on the bounce in 3 separate competitions, because we're level on points with both those sides, he'll escape any criticism.

    In fact I dare say some will actually use those results to show "ah it's not just Ole". All context will go out the window. The opposition we've lost to, the number of games in different competitions, the quality of the squad itself. None of it will matter.
     
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    5 more years!
     
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    I don’t mean to be provocative but you and I and others here know that he won’t be sacked or resign at this moment in time. FFS it’s the first signs of trouble and already some of us here are calling for his head. I remember exactly last year at about this time , we were 14th or thereabouts. And some and the ABU pundits were calling for him to be sacked. And I said then that he may well surprise us. No one could have predicted that we would finish above the RS.

    I and others may well call for him to leave if the season is trophyless and unsuccessful. those calling for his head now are apart from the inevitable scumbag pundits like Craig Burley are in a minority. The majority would wait until the season is over and then decide. Another season is not going to make a huge difference.
     
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    It is pointless sacking him now, I think. Is he good enough? Absolutely not!

    But with a squad like this, we shouldn’t find ourselves always having to defend the man. It is appalling!

    It has more to do with team preparation for matches like this one. Also playing McTominay and Fred in defensive roles doesn’t make a great deal of sense when playing at home against a side that is going to sit back and invite pressure. Especially when you’ve spent so much money and time chasing Sancho. It is baffling, to be honest.

    Maybe it won’t be such a bad idea to lose the next two games to force a move for a more qualified manager. Even then, I doubt that Ole would get fired.

    Oh well!
     
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    Wow. To wish for us todo badly and to drop down the table to get him sacked! Absolutely right though in terms of likelihood. Let me tell you that for him to be sacked even then we must be hovering down in the relegation zone by Christmas. The Glazers only priority is the champions league place and the revenue it brings. That’s their role as businessmen and owners.

    He’s brought us 2 years of top 4 and CL via the league. Which has proved impossible for so called elite managers like Van Gaal and Mourinho. He may well have reached the limits of his ability and can’t take us to that next step. What’s the point of sacking mid season when we are still within 1 point of the top and competing in the CL? The press and media have ramped up the pressure about winning a trophy. That’s why the league cup has taken some sort of importance which it never had for United. When ever did we cry over elimination from this cup?

    Arteta had Arsenal bottom and pointless despite spending the most over the summer. And despite huge clamour for him to be sacked the owners didn’t budge. I can’t see the GGs pulling the trigger for losing a CL match over a suicide back pass in the last minute, a league cup elimination after playing 11 reserves, and a premiership loss at home through Fernandez having a brainstorm in the last kick of the game.

    To say all this is an over the top reaction here is an understatement.
     
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    It's not the first sign of trouble though is it? It's been **** for a while.

    We can't keep going on this annual merry go round of seeing a ****e start to the season, claiming we'll wait to the end to see how we do. Then when it turns into another failure, say we need to buy x, y and z and then give him another season.

    You're right he probably won't resign or be sacked. But it's inevitable he will be eventually. It's just a matter of time.

    I don't bet on here but I'm willing to bet we'll be fighting for 4th and win fck all again this season.

    And when it becomes clear to players like Bruno, Pogba and Ronaldo that's what's happening, watch them become disillusioned with him as well.
     
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    Not sure why the constant comparison to Arteta?

    Arsenal are irrelevant, they aren't our benchmark and, to be absolutely honest, who gives a **** what they are doing?

    The Glazers, in all fairness to them this summer, have given Solskjaer enough rope to hang himself with. Otherwise known as backing him.

    If, as is pretty apparent right now, we win **** all yet again, then they will indeed get rid.

    But it'll be a wasted season. Again.


    But, but, we're getting there. We're nearly there. We're United, so.........


    Whatever the **** those ridiculous soundbites are supposed to mean.
     
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  11. Sucky

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    You only finished above us last year due to our defence, or lack of.

    We apologise for giving you false hope.
     
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    There are lots of stuff I agree with. Especially about CR and Fernandes who are serial winners in that they would make their feelings clear if we are not going in the right direction.

    In any case I think we are premature in this. Supporters are meant to support through thick and thin. Calling for the manager to go when we all know it’s not going to happen just yet is completely counter productive. The likelihood is that if he doesn’t deliver this season he will leave. Voluntarily or not. He’s alreadsaid he had now nowhere to hide. And if he wins that elusive trophy (the FA cup? ) but misses out on the CL, will that be a successful season? NO. Because he’ll be going backwards and he’ll be sacked. Guaranteed. Remember what happened to LVG? He was sacked on the evening of his FA cup triumph.

    May be this thread will serve its purpose in allowing some to vent their frustrations when we hit bumps this season.
     
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    I think more than anything I can't help feeling we are underachieving.

    You look at Chelsea's model or Pep at City and both get the best out of their squads. We should be doing the same.

    The standards just aren't high enough at the club at the moment. Far too many weaknesses which aren't being addressed quickly enough and it shows next to clubs like the two I've mentioned.

    The home form in particular. I doubt there are many clubs here or abroad that fear coming to OT atm.
     
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    OT itself is not the problem. Teams setup to defend and hit us on a counter when they are away at OT. When they play at home, they open up a little which plays into Ole’s strengths. That’s why we seem to do well against the top sides who also have to play but have mediocre record against lower league sides. It is all in the setup than the home and away factor.
     
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    Wasnt a problem for fergie<whistle>
     
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    That’s exactly the point. Ole is limited tactically to adapt to teams that are setup to defend against us.
     
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    Surely your owners would not have given him a new contract if they thought that?
     
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    Stop defending Ole, Christian! It’s ridiculous!

    Yes, I want him to succeed. But over and over again we have come up short. At some point we have to accept that Ole has his limits in getting a top team to perform. That moment is already in the distant past, in my opinion.

    And yes! I’d rather us lose the next two games and get Ole replaced, then go on one of those false-Ole runs only for us to be back here again having to discuss the situation in this exact fashion. Year in, year out!!
     
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    I agree and disagree. A team that only does that is happy to walk away with a point.

    Every side that comes to OT now does what you say but also will have a go because they know they can come away with a win. West Ham and Villa showed that. As did pretty much every side that came to OT last few seasons. Like I said, no fear.
     
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    We are not defending him to say that there is no point calling for him to go when this is not going to happen until the end of the season. I am being realistic. But even if we lose the next few games he won’t be replaced unless the owners are certain that he can’t but a new manager will get us into CL places.

    whoever was our manager and however ****ing **** he was I’ve never wished my team to lose. Even if it meant a higher chance of a new manager. The problem is that I’m old enough to have lived through much worse ****. You have experienced mostly success. I’ve experienced seasons where we have had more defeats than wins including the season we were relegated.
     
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