Off Topic Hartlepool Bye Election

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  1. master-simpson

    master-simpson Well-Known Member

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    She is truly a horrible person - or at least certainly comes across that way.
    One of the worst career politicians you’ll ever see!!

    Bart

    PS and don’t get me started on Dianne Abbott!<laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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    Good post... probably swimming against the tide here... they love Billy Bunter's reincarnation as bonko...
     
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    That is a good question... perhaps there is not much difference between them!
     
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    History isn't indisputable fact or irrefutable truth at all. It's incredibly subjective and tends to be written in the point of view of the people who wrote said history.

    The Marie Antoinette thing is funny. Its 100% certain that she never said "let them eat cake."

    Because the quote she is widely accredited with but commonly disputed to have said is a mistranslation of "brioche" which is in itself not cake at all. It's ****ing bread.

    History is subjective.
     
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    Con /Tory
    Lab/labour
    Lib/liberal
    Ind/independent
    Noc/????
     
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    Found out it means
    No over all controll
     
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    The brioche thing is exactly right. As for History being subjective, that's only true to a certain extent. Historical research is based on the available evidence. Sometimes that is irrefutable, sometimes its not. Sometimes you need opinion or theory (which should always be based on context and supportive evidence itself) to fill in the gaps. It is, however, widely open to political manipulation.
     
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    Yeah, I believe some sources state that it was "well-known princess" or something but nothing more specific. Interesting about the Chinese translation.
     
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    Exactly the same thing happened to my sister totally paralysed after contacting G B syndrome after three months she was told she had to pay £100+ a week to keep her carers out of £70 benefit she couldn’t so they left never to be seen again, funny thing was that was 2 years before the conservatives won the election. They are all c unts mate sooner people realise that the better.
     
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    An absolute disaster for Labour. Too busy with London and fringe issues, actively driving away what should be their base of support, unable to lay a glove on a government constantly handing them points scoring opportunities. Difficult to see how they recover.
     
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  11. The Norton Cat

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    If you genuinely believe the absolute rubbish that you have written in this post, and many others, please do put me on ignore. It will save me falling the down the rabbit hole of conversing with you in future.
     
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    Your wish is my command. Byeeee <laugh>
     
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    The specific events and timelines aren't really up for debate given accurate dating but the context in which events and timelines are viewed is incredibly subjective.

    People, and entire peoples are viewed through the lens of whoever wrote/keep writing the history books.

    Marie Antoinette's words were written by the movement who stormed the Bastille etc and that became history because it made sense of overthrowing and executing them, until history was written by those without the chip on their shoulder about her.

    Look at First Nations People from Australia.

    Once upon a time, the "Aborigines" were written as a race of nomadic savages because it fit our purpose of colonisation.

    Now, because genocide doesn't really do us any favours, we actually don't even class them as one race and rather multiple races, with different cultures, and different languages.

    History is always changing given the context in which we view facts.
     
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    Trump supporters believing the 'Big Lie'
     
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    The chinese translation is when there was allegedly a shortage of rice and the prince or whoever he was was supposed to have said "well let them eat porridge and meat"
     
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    I think to call history subjective is an oversimplification. Its not, for example, like asking the question "is cake nice?". Any statement that you make regarding history has to be based in evidential proof, even if interpretations differ. This is why things like suggestions that women served in the Roman army, despite some people's assertions, are dismissed- because there is no evidential proof (although it is now thought that there were female civilians attached to the legions), but bizarre interpretations such as ancient Germanic warriors being so good at fighting that they didn't need shields, were accepted for a time (there was an Iron Age (I think) cemetery excavated in which men were buried with full sets of weapons but no shields). In most places now, its not possible to be taken seriously without supplying substantive evidence, whereas in the past a lot of theories were accepted with what we would now consider to be very little question. So, as you say, context plays a role, there will always be room for interpretation surrounding much evidence, and in some places history remains open to political manipulation, but I think to call it subjective does a discredit to a lot of peoples' hard work.
     
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    Oh yes, I did know that one. I think its quite interesting how these types of thing have supposedly been said by a variety of different people.
     
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  18. Sidthemackem

    Sidthemackem Since 1970. Some good bits in 50 years of hurt!
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    Spot on. Anyone who thinks the "heartless Tories" are the bane of the disabled should know that Labour are just as ****e. My lad, who is totally disabled was born in 1998 (Prime Minister T. Blair) and his whole life has been a battle of us vs the system through a further series of governments (Labour, Tory/Lib Dem coalition & Tory) and Prime Ministers (Blair, Brown, Cameron, May & Johnson). None of these ****ers are around long enough to warrant wasting their "legacy" on the truly needy...
     
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    What I don't understand is that Labour don't seem to have any policies other than to criticise Boris, at every opportunity (even if there isn't one), without viable alternatives . . . . that seems to be their only plan !

    Starmer getting rid of that ficko, Rayner, because of poor campaign leadership tells me everything that I need to know . . . . if you're relying on an election campaign for any success, there's something wrong with the party plan, if indeed there is one :emoticon-0112-wonde

    As I've said before, Boris's job is virtually safe as long as Starmer leads the opposition :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  20. MrRAWhite

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    What I said was it is the Tories who have been in government for 11 years but people interviewed saying voting Tory for change. Between you and me the country was never better off either before or since last time Labour in government.
     
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