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How will the season pan out

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by SpursDisciple, Mar 14, 2020.

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Should we fix positions as they are?

Poll closed Mar 21, 2020.
  1. Yes, it's only fair on the teams that have done

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  2. No, relegation and euro places may change

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  3. Somehow we must play the final games even behind closed doors

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  1. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    Quite probably and all of the clubs up to tenth or so in The Championship but there is some sort of authority for it and it is equitable. The season didn't exist...so we start again.

    Nothing is going to be fair but it does need to be unfair equally and based upon something solid.
     
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  2. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    One thing I've already noticed, the sites which have to pump out hourly stories are really being affected

    How else can you explain HITC running the headline Report: £100k-a-week player is leaving Tottenham Hotspur when the story is "Did you know Jan Vertonghen is out of contract in June?"
     
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  3. The RDBD

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    An attempted "flattening the curve" is based on well-established science/eng
    to avoid system overloads (distribution/transport networks do it all the time) .

    Whether the UK state agencies can collectively coordinate to achieve it,
    is another story.

    Time will also tell whether the best solution was the most hostile.
    Specifically banning all national entry to China citizens once the severity of the
    problem was known (as the likes of Singapore did) .
     
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  4. Lovearsenalcock

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    Season should be cancelled

    I don’t buy all this Pool deserve it, they would have won it if the season continued etc etc

    Like I said on the PL board...the reason we love football is because you don’t always get what you deserve...

    Removing that sentiment leaves the mathematics....the League isnt even decided mathematically yet so no one deserves it.

    How can their be legal implications? Tournament organisers can cancel tournaments and from what I’ve been reading their is nothing any team can do.


    Scrap it...reset to 2019/20 and go again
     
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  5. KingHotspur

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    Saw this on Twitter, not saying I agree but for people saying poor Liverpool Football Club, maybe remember this.

    “The following clubs were denied European football post-Heysel:
    Everton
    Manchester United
    Tottenham Hotspur
    Southampton
    West Ham
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Oxford United
    Coventry City
    Arsenal
    Norwich
    Wimbledon
    Nottingham Forest
    Luton Town
    Derby County

    Voiding the season seems right now.”
     
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  6. The RDBD

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    If anything, as far as the Poool goes at the time I pondered whether
    Hillsborough was Nemesis in action for Heysel.

    It did however cost the English league badly, in that the nous that
    our clubs had in winning the UEFA trophies from 1977-85, was lost forever.
     
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  7. Billy The Spur

    Billy The Spur Well-Known Member

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    I`ve heard people saying "but they are 25 points clear at the top of the table, so deserve to be given the PL title", while completely oblivious to the fact that the reason they are so far ahead is purely because the officials and VAR have dragged them there, had the referees and VAR done their jobs properly there would still be a title race.
     
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  8. Spurf

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    That's just not true If you lock down you can stop it. Then we can hold it until we have a vaccine which is much safer way to achieve herd immunity. China has controlled it and most countries are adopting such methods but not the UK. WHO has criticised the British government approach.
     
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  9. SpursDisciple

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    Possibly, but the vaccine is apparently over a year away and people won't stay locked down that long.
     
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  10. Spurf

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    It doesn't work like that SD check out what they did in China and the rest of the world apart from President Moron's US of course. He thinks you can stop it with walls.
     
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  11. remembercolinlee

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    Tbh
    The issue is not the title winners...it is the CL and EL positions and the relegation positions as these are all separated by very few points.
    If they end the season and keep the league as it stands then European and relegation is decided with over 23% of the season left to play.
    The same is true for promotion, playoff places and relegation in all other divisions.
    The fact that (for example) West Ham are out of relegation on goal difference but have to play...
    Wolves (h) fighting for CL
    Spurs (a) badly fighting for CL
    Chelsea (h) fighting for CL
    Man Utd(a) fighting for CL
    Plus Watford, Villa and Norwich ... all fighting relegation
    Not having to play 8 teams who are desperately fighting for something is clearly an unfair advantage...
     
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  12. Spurf

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    President (with the emphasis on dent) Chump is he the most stupud President since Amin or can you think of others?
     
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  13. Spurf

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  14. littleDinosaurLuke

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    If the likes of Liverpool and Leeds lose out on what they think they would have achieved, it will be bitterly disappointing for them.
    The Germans have a word for how the rest of us will be feeling......Schadenfreude :emoticon-0142-happy
     
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  15. The RDBD

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    Walls don't work.

    Rounding up whistle-blowers (they dying of Corona-chan - although not
    essential - is advantageous) , and welding the entry points to apartment blocks
    is the way to go.
     
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  16. vimhawk

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    It's accepted in cricket of course. If you've got one wicket left, 999 runs behind, no.10 and 11 batsmen are at the crease with a combined batting average of zero, facing the most hostile bowler in the world but it's the last over of day five, if the wicket doesn't fall the game is a draw. As you say there cannot possibly be any method of awarding places based on current positions.
     
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  17. Blue and White

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    Edinburgh Marathon has been suspended and it was due to take place on 24th May. So if they are looking that far ahead how are we going to have football in 3 weeks time?

    Solution for the league -Duckworth-Lewis- Stern method.
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

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    One obvious thing to consider, but nobody's dared mention it

    The National League is continuing as normal, and if it continues to do so that will mean that one team will legitimately qualify for promotion to the Football League - which completely and utterly ****s up the idea of suspending promotion and relegation to and from the Football League as Barrow* will be able to say, excuse me, we should be promoted as we completed our season

    On a similar track, there's people suggesting the Champions League simply reset to zero and have the same teams who played in it this season, which is undermined by two obvious things: the Premier League won't be able to have the same teams play in it next season due to one of them being banned due to naughtiness regarding their FFP, and on similar lines the Russian league is continuing and, if it finishes, who at UEFA wants to tell Lokomotiv Moscow* that, even though they finished in the CL places, they're going to have to give it up to FC Rostov as they finished in the CL places last year?

    This is why the Euros being postponed is the likely scenario, so the domestic leagues can finish without UEFA spending the next 18,000 years fending off all manner of lawsuits
     
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  19. littleDinosaurLuke

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    Rain is perhaps the better analogy in cricket.
    Events beyond the control of the players don't result in the game being handed to the team with the upper hand, however improbable it may been been for the opposition to have escaped with a draw or even have won had the game been played to a finish.
    The logic is that improbable things can happen; if you don't finish the contest, you can't assume how it would have ended.
     
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  20. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    If it's impossible to complete the league programme (which is a distinct possibility) the Premier League has a viable out to the problem. Basically, the less they do, the less problems that they create for themselves, which is often the best advice you can get.

    English law recognises the principals of frustration of contract (a contract law doctrine that acts as a device to set aside contracts where an unforeseen event that renders contractual obligations impossible) and Act of God (an event which is caused solely by the effect of nature or natural causes and without any interference by humans whatsoever, deeming them unpreventable or impossible to guard against). If there's no provision for dealing with such an outcome, it's unforeseen, out of human control and impossible for the PL to deliver what was intended. It's an out they shouldn't **** up.

    If they void the season and rely on those legal principals and the precedent of unfinished and subsequently, abandoned ties being expunged from the records, there's probably not a lot a court would do to unpick that decision. Once you start choosing who gets promoted or relegated, you're walking on the thinnest of ice and heading for the courts.

    I'm not saying what will be the outcome but the owners are likely to be advised to take the easiest path to resolve it. If they don't, they're ****ing nuts.
     
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