Off Topic Hull City Centre Public Realm Strategy

I have no real problem with them. They are bright and clearly indicate a crossing point to all but the most imbecilic.

Having said that ...
Why walking on the right?. That irritates the hell out of me in London on escalators, never mind in Hull. We're not bloody french (well, technically we are, bug you know what I mean).

Also, I saw them today near HRI and the bits on either side of the roads pretty much steered people to walk into each other.

 

Interesting
I just don’t think the Govt actually implemented behavioural insight strategies very effectively though despite SAGE etc.

But yes, the road markings do look messy (not seen them for real yet) and as has been pointed out it’s odd to have pedestrians not doing the same side of the route as they do when they’re driving

 

They've laid two the second one being on Market Place. Why Market Place? It's not exactly packed with pedestrians all day.
Oh yea, they said they sent letters to residents to let them know what it's all about. Lying ****ers, I live 2 minutes away and heard nowt.

 

Santa died?

 

You’ve described the markings for pedestrians. I referred to markings for motorists. The ones that, you know, motorists need to look at and act accordingly.

 

It’s Boris Johnson’s personally championed policy, that famous pinko closet right-on socialist.

 

I was describing the lines across the carriage way, you know the ones the big black car in the picture has just driven over.

 

If you'd have been up sometime on Saturday youd have seen me.
I travelled from West (Hessle boundary) to East Hull (Bilton) on a 'bike' using the new exciting 'bike lanes'
I didn't find the majority of the experience felt that safe, the bits with bollards felt even less safe as just something else to potentially hit.
Long bit in East Hull had been layed (badly) in sections and didn't feel particularly smooth.
The only bit I thought was good was in East Hull opposite the the Bank? (pub) turn off to Southcoates Lane, where the bike lane was directed onto to the path for a few hundred meters / yards.
For a Saturday afternoon there wasn't that much traffic even with Hull Fair...

 

You don’t think there’s any additional risk by putting some unusual markings on the road distracting them with “wtf is that and what does it mean for me” just at a point where there’s pedestrians also sharing the same bit of road?

 

Well if they can sit down on Motorways and protest that's what i'm gonna do tomorrow in Market Place for putting down stupid markings. I gonna take my tansad as well just to show them I mean business, so there.

 

Got to say that cycle car-park in Trinity market place is a cracking idea.

 

Are you saying that you are worried you would be at risk of ignoring the standard zig zags on approach, the standard stop line, an entire array of traffic signals and a person walking across the road, just because there was something a bit different painted on the crossing? How do you cope with a red or green painted bus Lane? Or an unexpected pot hole? Just ignore everything and crack on?

 

I thought it was a new speed bump markings.

 

ffs Al, stop being so obtuse. I’d approach it thinking - well there’s something obviously different about this crossing, what is it and what am I supposed to do differently. Because it’s not clear because it’s not standard marking.

There’s a reason that road signage was standardised in the 1960s. Hint - it was done to improve road safety so drivers from out of town didn’t get distracted interpreting the signs.

 

Rather than using science and technology to sort problems would it not be better to use basic education in teaching drivers to drive and pedestrians to walk?

 

Mental how frustrated people get over the slightest change to anything road related. They improve the roads and people complain there's too much roadwork going on, they incentivise cycling to try and make some space on the road and people moan they're pandering to cyclists. They put some arrows on the floor telling people to use pedestrian crossings, harming no one, and somehow people are angry at that too.

 

The scheme in the article isn't strictly speaking 'nudge', but I guess it looks better when they're trying to claim it's innovative.

The desire lines on Newland Ave are among some of the nudge type stuff that's been carried out in Hull. There's some interesting stuff around the UK, where they've made the demarcation between pedestrians and car drivers very vague, which causes the drivers to pay particular attention, which makes it safer for pedestrians, and in the ones I read, actually claim to reduce congestion...but I suppose they would say that.

 

And when they get there they go - what's this then? Is it a speed hump (as said upthread) or...? And they dither and they get distracted.

I've a very dim view of the capabilities and skills of road users, so I'm all in favour of improving road safety - IMO any development or road building should have integrated cycle paths as a condition of planning approval. HCC building more cycle lanes has a big thumbs up from me, as long as they are dedicated and not shared use footpaths with a cycle painted on that stop in random places. I'd be happy to also see more investment in bus lanes, public transport, facilities for electric scooters, all of that.

Removing signage to make drivers pay more attention seems to working in places with lots of pedestrians - the issue here (IMHO) is non-standard signage and non-standard use of signage. Same as the "filter straight on" lights at Jocks Lodge and the Grovehill roundabout in Beverley. Doing something obvious to all drivers to get them to slow down and pay attention - good. Dress up something ordinary to do something extraordinary - gonna cause problems with a significant minority of drivers.

 

It will be interesting to see what some of the mamils do when they’re in a cycle lane with a slow moving cyclist in front of them.

hmm electric scooters!! Have you seen the dicks that are driving them round hull currently?