Off Topic UK politics and brexit ramblings

Boris Johnson and his supporters would make sure that there is no second referendum.

 

what's worrying is the fact we only got a vote to stay or leave but have no say in anything else.

part politics certainly come into play then, and its not always to the good of the people, its the same old "do whats good for me" !!!!! ****s!!!!

 

Tory MP are too scared to vote Theresa May down, because they are scared of losing their seats.

 

she's just the scapegoat through all this bollocks.

as soon as its over she will instantly be gone, shows what a joke politics is in this country!!!

certainly not democratic, and we have the balls to moan about other countries and dictators etc

 

LIVE: UK could be in customs union indefinitely under backstop - legal advice
Theresa May will face Jeremy Corbyn at PMQs after a series of bruising parliamentary losses, before MPs continue to debate her Brexit deal.

 

You could almost feel sorry for her in that she's having to pilot the country through a process she didn't want in the first place.
I say "almost", because she's done what far too many politicians seem all too ready to do - prostitute her principles in order to further her career. Cameron did the same.

 

I think she should do what Margret Thatcher did to Michael Heseltine, to Boris Johnson ,preventing him from taking her crown.
Boris Johnson is her harsh enemy May is not as ruthless as Margret Thatcher.

 

Other way round I'd think

If they don't vote against the **** Brexit deal, then they'll lose local support, as there are alot who'd prefer No Deal over the deal on offer.

Basically the whole thing is a giant cluster ****. The Deal is ****, but No Deal is worse, but a large majority of Brexitiers wanted a complete cut from the get go. We should be like an Italian tank and slam it into reverse and just Remain. Better to be in the house trying to fix the roof than outside in the pissing rain.

 

No, those are just the other patrons at the cheese. Very similar though.

 

I saw that video on xhamster too.

 

Johnson ordered to apologise for declaring Telegraph earnings late
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...earnings-late/ar-BBQzjU0?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=iehp

 

Now I am worried, I never declared the income from the paper round I had years ago either.

 

imo.... the deal that's on table is eu saying theres your incentive to actually negotiate a trade deal.

there's 2 choices... I really don't know that remain is on table.

there are clocks ticking right now.

a) accept deal
b) reject deal and counters rapidly tick down to no deal Brexit.

All the stuff going on in parliament ignores the fact that the UK don't have unilateral powers on this and there is another party involved.

I don't know.....

the withdrawal agreement is the worst place the eu will deal with the UK on a tariff free basis. it can continue forever if we fail to agree a deal on their terms.

ergo.... if you don't like the deal we designed so we think you don't get an unfair advantage while you negotiate the final trade deal for future relationship then you can go with no deal at all and pay tariffs until you negotiate that future deal..... but you will end up in same place in same time frame anyway.


We need to get over remain... whether it's whatever side of that people fall on (as in remain now cos this was a big lie or remain all along) and see that this is all far far too late and 90% of what's happening now is pure political gamesmanship to get power (esp labour)

snp was to get independence vote and remain so will vote no to deal

dup wants to preserve the union so will vote no despite most of their own constituents wanting a deal.

already diametrically opposing views on same side.

Labour will vote no to deal as they want an election. We noted in our house their preference is election then referendum.. as in give us power and we will magic a better deal. They are not saying elect us and we will hold referendum I think.

some Tories will vote no for the reason they want to be pm. Johnson etc.

some Tories like Mogg will vote no cos tjey want hardest brexit possible.

may blundered monumentally in last election but she knew what was coming... imo they knew there was 30 or so Tory rebels and they needed a big majority to get this sort of deal through so she went for it.

the day she had to talk brexit with dup she should have said no government possible and go back to another election.

if she's lost it she'd have saved here self the hassle and if she got some bounce and scraped back at least these rabid dogs in dup wouldn't have got a platform which I think they quite enjoy.


anyway..... who knows. that's all if only.

We know 99.9% this deal will be rejected on the 11th. there is a clock starting where another vote after says not weeks occurs and then we are staring down the barrel.

 

this is what i find disgusting in this whole scenario, ALL parties are only doing whats best for them not the ****ing country!! voting on something because its good for your party ie election and not the country is not very ****ing democratic!! whole thing stinks and as usual its the ****s who pay their taxes ie us who will suffer for personnel gain by the parties!!!!!!!

 

Yes I don't see anyone putting the country first.

Gove for example is trying to appear that way but is being deeply cynical as he knows this deal is dead but is backing may to appear as the only possible next tory leader.

I have not even mentioned the lim dems as they are irrelevant but they will vote no as they want to remain. i'm sure. it'd be political suicide for them to support tories.

 

Was listening to a Belgian MEP on the radio yesterday from Brussels who was saying the EU appetite now is either to proceed with May's deal, but that there is also the will there amongst the member countries for the UK to stay in the EU. If neither of those happens it will simply be no deal which is the worst thing for everyone involved and would be a monumental failure by the government. As far as they're concerned everything that's going on in the UK Parliament is just domestic squabbling and quite irrelevant to them now. They just want this finalised so they can get on with business and the decision is sealed.

The way that Brexit is being manipulated by the Tories going against May's deal, and Labour generally, to try and better their individual prospects and enhance their careers is just a sham, completely self-servicing and self-interested, they're playing with the future of the country and everyone in it to serve their personal interests which is a national disgrace frankly.

Personally I'd still prefer to somehow remain in the EU but I can't see anything good coming from another referendum or another general election. If we had the second referendum I think we'd see the Leave vote actually go up because well, idiots, the massive confusion still in the public around anything to do with Brexit, and the spiteful xenophobia/ignorance that breeds freely in swathes of the uneducated working class and middle England, also people still believing in the shadow of British Imperialism and British industry, which I'd call a fallacy if the very notion wasn't so massively disgusting. Since the early modern period, and later, when we first loaded up the ships to form the British Empire and the Colonies ... for around 500 years we've always relied on those less fortunate and/or alien to us to build the country economically. Practically everything we have consumed and still consume is produced and manufactured in poorer economies (not that ours has a huge amount of clout nowadays) in the Third World of Latin America and the sub-continent, China and other areas of Asia, and yes, less well-off EU countries, particularly in Eastern Europe. I mean, would people prefer it if we went back to Feudalism? It's just so short-sighted and stupid to suddenly see the EU as some kind of economic succubus. Reform from the inside is the most sensible arrangement.

As for immigration, I wonder what those happy to see the German, French, Italian and Eastern European people in their communities will think and feel when they see those homes and businesses taken over by Chinese, Japanese and Indian people? The idea that we'll suddenly go back to being a country of white British people, which is what many Leavers seem to believe and want, is so so dumb, unrealistic and repulsive. EU immigration has dropped and would drop further but in time it will be replaced by a greater range of immigration globally, that will become a necessity. So the idea of 'no more immigration' is again completely fallacious. The history of the world is one of movement and migration, are we going to somehow stop the natural processes of humanity and history through Brexit as well?

And as far as an election goes I have zero faith in any of the main political parties in their current forms, loathe the Tories for their irresponsibility and running away, loathe Labour and its shady manipulations, loathe the Lib Dems and their inertia and happy clappy 'We can change this!!' vacuity. The quality of MPs and the cabinet/shadow cabinet and politicians outside these has reached rock bottom, these people lack the basic qualities of good statesperson-ship.

 

1 - the whole referendum for Brexit was carried out for the Tory party and its unity and benefits not for the future of the country.

2- very few people in power including the key players who led the Brexit campaign such as Boris and Gove believed in their hearts that Brexit could/would win. Hence their evident shock on the day. Hence no one in any position of power had prepared for all the options then and since.

3- unless you were prepared for a no deal option, the other party the EU could not credibly take that option seriously. It is like to quote a famous phrase going out to bat with one arm tied behind your back and the bat broken. The damage of no deal was evident to all parties so the EU had all the aces.They could dictate the terms: “sorry that’s the best we can do. Take it or leave it” except that in this case we couldn’t leave it.

4. The assertion that the German car makers and the French wine producers would put pressure on their politicians to give Britain a good deal was always fantasy. Just like Boris and other hard line Brexiteers declarations that we could leave getting all the things we wanted (border controls, sovereignty, financial benefits, economic growths etc) and hardly any negative consequences. In short have your cake and eat it.

5. The idea that others such a Boris, David Davies or Corbyn could have negotiated a better deal again is cloud cuckoo land. The EU by its very nature is and has to be strictly ruled based. Otherwise how can they keep a disparate group of 28 countries together?

The true choice should have been put to the people:

More control of our borders, immigration and laws and no financial contributions to the EU v likely economic downturn at least in the short term from the loss of free trade with our biggest market.

Of course some people would still have chosen the former but at least everyone would have known where they stood.

Do people especially the young prefer to suffer financial hardships for the prize of sovereignty and independence?

 

it would be nice to start seeing us back in the game in this country in the car manufacturing sector, we import far too much from germany france, china,japan etc. also applies to other sectors, start having pride again in us making our own products instead of it all coming from abroad as its cheaper and more beneficial for the ****ing shareholders!!

start opening them ****ing factories again instead of knocking them all down to build ruddy flats!!!

****s

its the tax payers in this country who are treated like ****s yet we are the ones holding it up!!!!

tv license joke!!!
council tax really!!!!!! you empty my ****ing bins thats it!!!
NI nhs for all the foreigners to come and take the piss out of our free system
tax i have no idea what this actually supports, probably mps ****ing expenses!!
road tax, yeah why is there so many ****ing potholes everywhere then!!!

rant over, i feel a bit better now

 

oi one of my main reasons for voting remain was that leaving would damage one of the most important of our manufacturing industries i.e. automotive sector which ,until this year , has been rising for years and had reached levels of car production not seen for a generation or more.
The unfortunate thing is none of the ,main, companies are owned by British interests
i.e. Toyota (Burnaston)
Honda (Swiindon)
JLR ( various sites mainly round midlands)
Nissan (Sunderland)
"Mini" (Oxford)
Vauxhall (Ellesmere Port & Luton)
Ford (engine plant only i think)

plus a huge supply chain.
To summarise the automotive sector was in fine fettle , though JLR in particular are suffering from the diesel emissions scandal fallout , but is vulnerable due to the reliance on parts produced throughout the EU.

 

The reality is British car makers all died off for good reason.

When things are let die they can't be rebuilt.

The Japanese have been very good to the UK car industry.

In 10 years time 50% of cars will probably be electric and bar the batteries it's actually much simpler build an electric car, no transmission, no heating par se etc etc.

Are these new cars going to be tooled in the UK for a 60mil market?

Who knows.