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Kinnear- player recruitment.

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  1. Blacker-than-Knight

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    The Daily Mail have ran a byline this morning picking up on Joke's programme notes from the weekend and the way in which he has down played any desire to improve the squad this transfer window, he feels that the squad is more than sufficient to deal with the demands this season and compete at the top without additions. The short of it is don't expect any new signings in the next couple of weeks, at this point we need a striker, plan B for mid-field and at least a quality central defender as Collo is going to have to be covered in the long term.
     
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  2. Agent Bruce

    Agent Bruce Well-Known Member

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    That sums JK up, most of us have forgotten more about football than he'll ever know.

    It was a bad day on Tyneside when he appeared in our ranks.
     
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  3. Geordieginola

    Geordieginola Well-Known Member

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    His role is meant to be player recruitment.

    Since his appointment he has been involved in how many permenant signings???

    To my recollection, that figure would be a magic zero.

    So what exactly is he here to do?
     
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  4. Keith Fit

    Keith Fit Well-Known Member

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    Kinnear's comments are inarguable. We are not really a spending club, are still in an ok position as a squad, should be seeing more from Pardew in terms of Dummett, Sammyobi, Marveaux, Good, ben Arfa, Bigirimana Saylor, etc. For a club "aspiring" to be a regular top 10, our squad is easily up there with Everton's as arguably the 7th strongest, regardless of depth. I think we need to be happy with Pardew's performance, but mindful that he's not doing very well with the squad of players. Awful LC and FAC performances, and a fairly awful showing in the FA Youth Cup plus some abject results from both reserves and U-21's. As manager of this football club, he has to shoulder some responsibility for the fact that he only seems capable of getting results with the best eleven on the field.

    Personally I think we have a pretty good second eleven. We probably struggle because we haven't the cash to employ specialists as backup - thus rely on the likes of MYM or Anita to 'cover' RB, rather than just throwing Simpson in when Debuchy's out. But is there a pressing need for this club, with this money, with this owner, with this model to buy RB cover, a decent CM 'just in case', and so on?

    I think the club needs a target man, a good striker who can play 60%+ matches for this club and work in the hybrid 4-4-2/4-5-1 systems we use. Luuk De Jong is precisely that answer, and so if we bring him in I'll be happy. When Colo goes - not in preparation for - we will need to invest another stack of cash in that area...probably. But by then there's every chance MYM/Will or MYM/Saylor will be the partnership, and if Good/Streete continue to improve, again for a top-8 club that's ok. I also think Dummett's been taken back to retrain as a CB - I think Pards likes him there, which is why Haidara's the sub for Santon. At that point we'll just again need to consider a RB cover, but we're in alright shape.
     
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  5. Blacker-than-Knight

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    RolyD

    Sorry but can't agree with you, we have a strike force that has gone totally AWOL at present, Remy is only here until someone pays him more, Cisse is gone with the wind and Shola has only just made it to 50 prem goals in a career longer than a Greek Tradgedy, Cabaye may not be here much longer either, Ben Arfa is the football equivalent of the worst of 70's Prog Rock, self indulgent and wants to play long solo periods. The players that were brought in last January have found their feet to an extent but any injuries now to the front line squad will leave us seriously weak and I don't think you can wait for players to go before planning to replace. There was a point when the talk was that the club had a series of targets and plan B's for each position on the pitch, now it would seem to me that there is none and in reality Kinnear is not here to recruit players but to ensure that expenditure is minimised, I hope he proves me wrong for the sake of the team and club but I reckon his bonus will be on capping expenditure not successful recruitment conversion.
     
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  6. Beardsley's Rancid Sack

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    We need a striker, a back up striker and some sort of attacking threat from midfield with pace. Our first eleven is good when we can field it but our squad is weak and has been for a while. Shola still being here is proof we need some quality and we need to move the likes of him, his brother, Obertan, etc on as they are simply not good enough.
     
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    There's more life in a tramp's vest than there is between JFK's ears.
     
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  8. Rafa's Championship Party

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    Anyone who doesn't think we need a striker or 2 is living in land cuckoo land. Shola and Cisse have 1 penalty between them in the Premier League this season.
     
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  9. Agent Bruce

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    Cuckoo land is where JK comes from.
     
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  10. lady-eleanor

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    JK on a nice little earner doing bloody nothing.
     
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  11. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

    TheJudeanPeoplesFront Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Pardew should be blamed for youth players and reserve players not performing well... They play under different coaches. If anything, I think it makes it slightly more admirable the job Pardew is doing, because nobody from the youth or reserve ranks is stepping up and deserving to be in contention to start.
     
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    But, yeah, I do think he's incapable of getting the best out of Marv and Ben Arfa.

    I genuinely don't know what's happening with Marveaux, because there's no way in hell that he's been shown to be a bad player through his performances on the pitch. He has skills a lot of our others don't have. The BBC posted an article about mavericks in English sports the other day, about how we are unable to integrate their creativeness with our hard-working mentality, and as much as I thought a lot of it was claptrap, maybe Pardew's tactics can't cope with such players.
     
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  13. Seabass

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    I absolutely agree with the clubs policy of value for money. But it is critical that we get a striker sharpish. Shola needs to go. He holds us back. He's like some sort of kids safety blankey that until you get rid of it you cant grow up. Next on the list then has to be a CM with creative quality and a leader at CB. Coli and Cabaye will be gone in the summer and we will struggle without adequate replacements
     
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  14. Tasty Magpie

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    Really? What has he done to prove that he can cut it over here? He's hardly been a hit in the German league, he won't be arriving bang in form or brimful of confidence and his recent injury record is poor. I'll admit I haven't seen much of him but I'm not particularly wowed by the idea of him being our single reinforcement based on the above.
     
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  15. Keith Fit

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    Happy to re-evaluate if you can give me better, realistic names. I'm just going with the line of probability that this appears considerably more likely than any other deal, so as a Newcastle fan have to concede to the idea and give it a shot. He won't be the last player to move to a different league and struggle, then move again and find success. The headline maker today, Matic, has done exactly that.
     
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  16. Keith Fit

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    See, I don't get this at all. The club is the club - Barca got to where they are by the work started by Cruyff on creating an ethos of playing that ran from the u-7's to the first eleven. The systems at every level of the biggest clubs are similar; I think that's why we struggle - although I 'admire' to a point Pardew's efforts, he's very, very limited. When Sissoko is injured, we have to tinker around, cater for Ben Arfa, or switch Gouffran, because we can't just plug in the 1st reserve, or the u-21 who do the exact same job in training matches, reserve matches and so on. To think that each facet of a football club SHOULD be run independently is, frankly, laughable.

    I've bemoaned our inability to even create an ethic, something that defines Newcastle as Arsene Wenger has 'defined' Arsenal, or Fergie 'defined' Man U. This is symptomatic of that problem that will continue to haunt us and continue to be a stumbling block for us. Even Southampton understand, Pochettino isn't just a decent enough first eleven manager/coach/tactician, he's a CLUB manager. The media don't bother picking up on it for a variety of reason, primarily that they don't really get it themselves. But in any attempt to try and structure a club it has to begin with an identity.

    All we have is a hard working and decent first XI, with mainly French accents....
     
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  17. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Personally speaking I'd struggle to rate us above 9th or 10th squad wise but maybe lower. If we were just talking about midfield then I'd have us right up there but unfortunately we are incredibly weak in attack. Goals win matches and therefore that marks us way down for me. If you took Shola and Cisse out and dropped a couple of quality strikers then I think we'd be a different propersition. At the moment we have two half decent strikers who are really excellent or good wide forwards (Remy and Le Gouf). We don't actually have a single quality striker in the squad. I think Pardew must take great credit in getting us where we are this season with such a toothless attack. The best clubs have 4 strikers, all top class. The next band have 4 with maybe two of them top class. Then some might have 3 with one top class. Very few are sitting with two average beans like Shola and Cisse, accompanied by a couple of wide men who can fill in there.

    So JK's comments are ****e for me. Yes we have a decent squad, yes we are stronger, but that is not a reason to rest on your laurels and actually fix the glaring holes in your squad. At least if you are looking to be progressive and continually improve. I'm not surprised at this stance as it is fairly predictable. I don't know the finances so can't comment if its viable for the squad to be improved. We don't have some sugar daddy so we have to make ends meet. I just think there must be surely enough around coupled with some squad trading to improve us.
     
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  18. Tasty Magpie

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    MA would obviously argue that we haven't a bean to spend due to the legendary interest free loan that we need to pay him back. I don't see us trying to do more than the bare minimum required to survive until that is paid off. Once the loan is gone Ashley will probably sell... Then again he may decide to hang around and bleed us.

    It's all fairly depressing as we have the makings of a squad to be excited about and if we were showing any ambition to further improve in each transfer window then things could be pretty rosy. Instead it's a bit of a plod towards multiple seasons of mediocrity. By the time we've lost the debt Carr will probably be retired and we'll no doubt be back to recruiting dross.
     
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  19. Mod Face

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    We're pretty much safe from relegation and MA wouldn't want us to get Europa football as it would put pressure on him to spend so really anywhere between 8th and 17th is the target, something our current squad is more than capable of.

    Why spend when the TV money is mega regardless of where you finish? :emoticon-0114-dull:
     
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  20. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace

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    Can we merge this thread with that other one, so it reads "f*** off Kinnear!"
     
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