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  1. Farked19

    Farked19 Well-Known Member

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    Had your vacs have you?
     
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    I identify as vaccinated.
     
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    Back in the 1980s, Neil Kinnock took up the poisoned chalice of leading Labour against Margaret Thatcher after she had crushed the lamentable Michael Foot. He led a Party full of Militant malcontents and old Socialist fossils who had failed in the 1970s. At the ballot box, he was annihilated. Realising that the problem was within the “broad church”, he started the process of weeding it out. It took a long time; longer than Kinnock’s tenure and it finally fell to Tony Blair to make the Party electable and win power from John Major’s tired, broken Conservative government.

    Sitting in the centre ground of politics, Blair became Labour’s most electorally successful leader with the votes of Middle England, before old Socialist Brown knived him in the back. Middle England went back to the Conservatives and Brown went to the Parliamentary backbenches with the other fossils.

    Thinking that he had a chance of victory if he could just appeal to a few more voters, Ed Miliband let the Trots and Militants back into the Party and undid two decades of work. After Miliband had quit, the large far Left membership cabal put lifetime loser Jeremy Corbyn in the hot seat. Too weak to actually be a leader, Corbyn let the far Left decide policy and led it to electoral failure, although he was popular with the brain washed youth.

    Now Starmer looks into the electoral abyss, down on one knee in homage to a black criminal killed by a white policeman in Minnesota. His woke virtue signalling is not a vote winner anywhere outside the Metropolitan Elite. The North South divide in the United States may well be a racial one but it certainly is not in the United Kingdom. We live in a multi-racial, multi-cultural society where the only ones who think white people are all racist are not white. The BAME members of our population are mostly immigrants and refugees, not the descendants of slaves.

    If Starmer wants to lead this country he needs to forget about the Leftie student radicals in their social media bubble and start condemning people trying to rewrite history with their vacuous identity politics. If he were a real leader of his Party, he would put forward a policy agenda that would appeal to their blue collar former core vote and tell the far Left members that if they do not like it they should quit the Party and start their own. Labour’s “broad church” should not be broad enough to allow the hard Left to dictate when they are disproportionately small compared to the electorate that the Party seeks to represent. Most voters are patriotic conservative traditionalists and much of Middle England went blue on Thursday.

    It is hard to see Starmer lasting another year if he does not get his act together quickly. His personal approval ratings surely cannot get any lower before he gets a charisma jab (or two).

    The good news for Starmer is that he will not be in government when the wrath of Bidenomics sweeps ashore causing economic havoc. Labour certainly have no-one competent enough and I think the government has a glass that is more than half empty. Boris the National leader in a crisis is a facade that will quickly evaporate once the plague is gone and the consequences of Socialist Sunak’s actions come home to roost.
     
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    Rayner sacked, that’s a start.
     
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    The dumbest **** in politics
     
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    Sacked from party chair and campaign coordinator.

    She is still deputy retard
     
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    Still would.
     
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    The knives are out <laugh>
     
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    The Labour Party

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    Toley Fart not606's best fighter

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    <laugh> ffs
     
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    That's quite an accolade, given at least one of her colleagues can't even manage to put matching shoes on in a morning. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    It's interesting that a lot of the pro-remain 'experts' were claiming that brexit was the old folks vote, and the youth would get their say, so all would change in the future.

    It looks like the youth have spoken rather loudly yet again. :emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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    I would hate to be in Starmer's shoes. He's got small feet and I would get blisters.

    But apart from that the poor sod is on a hiding to nothing. Despite the odd glimmer of hope with a handful of metropolitan Mayors his party took a bit of a caning last week and Labour faces even more of an identity crisis.

    Middle of the road, centre-left, post-Blair Labour just came across as Tory-lite hence that mad hippy Corbyn becoming leader. He stood against the party for decades, repeatedly voting against the whip and only stood for leader in protest at how bland the other candidates were. Things gathered pace and before you know it we have a terrorist sympathiser in charge of the Queen's Opposition. And so the schism started, half the party wanting to go commie with Jezza, the other half wanting to get back into power the only way possible by becoming clones of Tony Blair.

    None of it worked and a fat albino public school twerp took his chance to capitalize on Brexit to get the top job and at the same time extinguish UKIP as any sort of threat while Labour ate itself from the anus backwards.

    Only three Labour leaders elected? I can't see number four happening for decades the rate they are going and knee-jerk support of sh.it like the BLM cult and tranny rights is only further alienating voters.
     
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    A big part of Labour's problem is that they've deplatformed or silenced people with views that differ from theirs, so they and their followers exist in an echo chamber filled with a very noisy minority, who are unlikely to be of any use to their core principles anyway. These sorts are quick to abuse and insult anyone pointing at the flaws in their reasoning.

    If they did some proper research, I reckon they'd find that the majority of people want no part in the woke/pc agenda. A quick fix for them would be to distance themselves from all that pap, and sell themselves as a version of patriotic and supportive of clear, core values. Most people are very tolerant and accepting, right up until the minorities look like they're simply taking the piss.
     
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    Tuesday, May 4th: Dame Kelly Stormer on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I take full responsibility for the results, just as I take full responsibility for everything that happens in the Labour Party under my leadership”.

    Friday, May 7th: Labour have lost the Hartlepool by-election and been routed everywhere but Wales.

    Saturday, May 8th: The surviving half of the Corbynista dream ticket, Angela Rayner, is axed from the Shadow Cabinet, or is she? Rayner certainly is the ‘authentic voice’ of Labour. She left school as a teenage single mother, a role mirroring girls across Labour council estates in their Red Wall constituencies. Stormer cannot sack her as Deputy Leader because the hard Left elected her. Stormer did sack the other half of the Corbynista dream ticket, Rebecca Long-Baliey, for telling too many porkies.

    Sunday, May 9th: Time to get rid of some of the other hard Left losers, even if most people have never even heard of them – such was their profile outside the Westminster Bubble. Not exactly Night of the Long Knives – they need Sadiq Khan for that. In the end, the ‘Reshuffle’ only seems to have been about three faces.

    According to one Labour ex-Councillor, “the voters have let us down”. The Left still having trouble with the word ‘democracy’. Demos kratos. It’s all Greek to them.

    No word yet on when publicity shy Meghan Markle and Henry Windsor are taking over the Diversity and Inclusion portfolio.
     
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    Twitter: Have I Got News For You

    “As lockdown easing means six people can meet indoors from next week, Keir Starmer invites his remaining supporters to an all-you-can-eat buffet in Hartlepool.”

    “More bad news for Keir Starmer as opinion polls show him trailing both regular Boris Johnson and the giant inflatable one.”

    They are not usually so quick to ridicule the Left, but normal service resumed a couple of hours later.

    “Michael Gove confirms hugs will be allowed from next week between friends and family, much to the annoyance of Michael Gove’s friends and family.”
     
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    Labour is suffering from Long Corbyn, and there's no known cure

    A comment piece by Suzanne Moore (formerly of The Garuniad) in The Telegraph

    It’s probably a very good thing that we can’t start hugging each other till next week. Especially for the Labour Party, who are taking social distancing to a whole new level. The split within the party, dormant for a year because of the pandemic, is now entirely visible and as virulent as ever.

    The symptoms of Long Corbyn, as it has been dubbed, have moved from fatigue and a general feeling of confusion to real anger. It overshadows everything in Labour, from the weird moral power retained by tarnished figures such as John McDonnell to the membership’s continued adoration for Corbyn himself. And for those suffering from the affliction, the only real treatment is not a vaccine but the return of the old codger. Whereas other pensioners would be content to spend more time with their families and their allotments, Corbyn remains bitter and sulky, taking himself into the Commons when he should have been shielding.

    None of this matters to his supporters. There is some corner of a not so foreign field that is forever Corbyn. It is of course on Twitter where Corbyn won in 2017 and no one can say otherwise. For these people, the awful Labour defeat of 2019 did not happen, Brexit did not happen and Covid did not happen. Let us not intrude on this fantasy because it is impervious to what is going on now.

    Yet the Labour Party, via Sir Keir Starmer, is still desperately trying to triangulate against not just Jeremy Corbyn the man, as Margaret Hodge said, but against the ideology. Unfortunately, they have not replaced it with any other ideology hence all the “What does Labour stand for?” deconstructions.

    This is all tremendously sad given the open goals Labour has been afforded, from the huge numbers of Covid deaths, to the flouting of rules by Dominic Cummings to the allegations of sleaze that have hardly gone unreported over the last year. Yet enough people in England still did not trust Labour enough to vote for them.

    What was needed was a coherent and oppositional narrative from Labour. Instead we got anthropology, where brave souls ventured up North to report back on this electorate as if peering through the bars of a cage.

    The people they spoke to want what we all want: solvency and the ability to make a few choices in our life. They don’t want a lecture on Venezuela but investment in their local area. This is why Tory Ben Houchen swept up the Tees Valley mayoral vote.

    The Corbyn Left never talks of wealth creation only poverty and yet this year has been one of massive state intervention. The story Labour tells has to acknowledge that. Andy Burnham, once seen as a wet Blairite, fought with passion for his people and was rewarded for it.

    Starmer’s sacking of Angela Rayner is both unpopular and unfair. A reshuffle may be a purge but the crisis for Labour is not merely one of personnel, it is about speaking to the country not each just other. You cannot hope to represent those you despise and Long Corbyn means large parts of the electorate simply do not come up to scratch. They haven’t been to college, they haven’t read Marx’s 1844 Manuscripts, they don’t think men can become women simply by wearing mascara, They don’t want to be told that the house they have worked hard to own makes them evil.

    Blair v Brown, Corbyn v Starmer is not even a sport they watch. This is terrestrial fare in a digital multi-channel age. If I were Labour leader, I would have my gang tattooed with this difficult fact: 39 of the 44 seats where Labour is seriously vulnerable are outside London.

    So let Corbyn haunt Twitter and Islington. But Labour has to recognise the threat of the Greens, mopping up votes from those who don’t like either of the main parties. Getting its act together on the economy matters as we go into recovery. Indeed parts of the 2019 Labour manifesto were smart about this. It also has to accept that people don’t all have uniform social values.

    Long Corbyn means that anyone who did not buy the whole deal is the enemy. It is a profoundly depressing experience to be basically told off for not being loyal enough, Left-wing enough, Labour enough by Corbynite Zombies.

    For them optimism is a vulgar emotion. They are stuck in the past. For Labour to have a future, it needs to deal with the present. With guts and vision.
     
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    Baroness Hoey laments the current state of the Labour parliamentary party

    Hoey: “What’s happened over a period of time is that more and more MPs are coming into Parliament without having any real length of time working in the real world. So they come in from university, and then they become an MP. And I think many of them have lost touch with the overview of the country and what people are thinking.”

    Is that not true of all the parties?

    What she has to say about Labour ignoring their Red Wall voters over Brexit and taking a knee for BLM is certainly true. They could try being a bit more positive about the country and the good aspects of British flag-waving patriotism. Some lessons in how to win friends and influence people are desperately needed.
     
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