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Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Turtle, Oct 9, 2019.

  1. Nacho

    Nacho Well-Known Member

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    Aye we might be a big fish in a small pond but we were a big flabby fish dropped into a pond of piranhas and they all wanted a bite. Maybe at times the atmosphere at the SoL intimidated a few teams (and our own players) but I doubt anyone was looking at our team sheet and bricking it.
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I'm all for giving managers time ...

    ... I'd have given Moyes 20 years in solitary.
     
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  3. ROKER PARK

    ROKER PARK Well-Known Member

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    JR did indeed get the bullet though.
     
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  4. marcusblackcat

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    But Allardyce himself said yesterday morning he would not come back here - categorically. He may be on a "wanted" list but I very much doubt he'll be managing us again.
     
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  5. ROKER PARK

    ROKER PARK Well-Known Member

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    Not the time of day from me.
     
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  6. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff
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    Seriously - Alan "mag" Nixon who has spouted more ****e about SAFC than any journalist ever and almost any person other than Sol Campbell ever!! If you're taking his word as gospel then I pity you!!
     
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  7. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

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    Moyes was awful. He was beaten before he started. I don't see that anyone before or since though.
     
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  8. malagamackem

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    Exactly. So was sacking JR a good move then?
     
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  9. The Norton Cat

    The Norton Cat Well-Known Member

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    Well, I don't think so really. I think Donald's hand was forced though as so many fans appear to have turned against him. It's been said that he didn't learn from his mistakes but he quickly ditched the 3 at the back and he'd stopped lining up in the archaic 442 that he flirted with briefly (Peterborough away notably).
    I think any manager coming in will face the same problems. We just have to hope they approach them in a different way to those which Jack Ross tried
     
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  10. FulwellBri

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    Someone like BSA would galvanise the club and the area imo.
    He can rub people up the wrong way but he seems one of those with the utmost confidence in what he does.
    Ross was full of platitudes , cliches and seemed diffident on most occasions. I never felt he was 'his own man'. BSA just oozes a man on a mission.
    Thing is I doubt he'll do the the job.
    He could probably go to China or usa and earn 5 times at least the money he would get at safc
     
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  11. FulwellBri

    FulwellBri Well-Known Member

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    Of course they werent. Ross was sussed out very quickly by the likes of Robbins, barton and bowyer.
    His safety first hoofball was a gift to them despite there having to cope with inferior players on much lower wedge.
    Ross is a football throwback.
    He looks smart, personable and comes across as very cerebral.
    In reality he was a sartorial Ron manager and that is being unfair to Ron.
     
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  12. Sunderpitt

    Sunderpitt Well-Known Member

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    My own preference is Hughton

    Nothing wrong with Big Sam...but has he moved on retired in his own mind?
     
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  13. The Norton Cat

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    I think you're being very selective in your memories of him there. When he first arrived, we weren't playing like that at all. He was fortuitous in having Josh Maja to begin with but when Maja left we weren't able to play the same game. The more direct game came about as a consequence of that. A manager can only work with the players he has. If they aren't capable of doing something, they aren't capable and he has to find another solution. Unfortunately, solutions are limited when both of your centre forwards are ****/out of form/can't be arsed. We have a league one squad and, one or two exceptions aside, have done since we arrived here.
     
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  14. Comfy

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    When Ross came in we said he needed support and given time but he hasn’t helped himself since he’s came in due to his team selections and tactics. We need a manager who isn’t afraid to have a go and keep the players on their toes, Ross didn’t do that
     
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    Latest Odds on Oddschecker

    Gareth Ainsworth 4/1
    Daniel Stendel 10/1
    Garry Monk 12/1
    Mick Harford 14/1
    Roy Keane 14/1
    Sam Allardyce 16/1
    Garry Rowett, Ian Holloway, John O'Shea 20/1
     
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  16. Comfy

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    I bet allardyce has said a lot of things and then backtracked on his words, I wouldn’t believe a thing he says ( would still love him here) you never know he could come in with Phillips in a remit to get him up to speed with management
     
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  17. The Norton Cat

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    He's made some strange tactical decisions, that's for sure. He's tried a variety of things and several haven't worked. I believe he has been trying to solve the problems.
    The bit in bold, how do we know that Ross was afraid to have a go? He came with a reputation for playing attacking football. Why didn't he do that here? Could it be that he didn't have the players to play that way?- hence the strange tactics. Like I said in an earlier post, he can only work with what's available.
     
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  18. C19RK73

    C19RK73 Red & White army!

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    Ian Holloway thinks he’s Brian Clough now “I’d run up the a1 for the Sunderland job”
     
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  19. E.T. Fairfax

    E.T. Fairfax Well-Known Member

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    Lets hope he misses his turn off and ends up in Edinburgh
     
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  20. jdsafc

    jdsafc Well-Known Member

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    Its all dependant on the Dell boys IMHO.
    If they join us then it will be a "name"
    If Stu Donald recruits then it will be someone like Ainsworth

    John O'Shea :emoticon-0136-giggl:emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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