Oh how ridiculous!?

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  1. andytoprankin

    andytoprankin Well-Known Member

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    I do accept there is ‘contaminants’ in things - you shake someone’s hand who’s hand a bacon sarny - I totally accept that. But I try to minimise, as far as is possible, my creating of demand for animals to be slaughtered. We’re heading into veganism for that reason, too.
     
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    Quite. Personally I would hope and expect that animal fats or whatever would be unnecessary in money, especially the new notes. And yes I think everyone has a right to know what's in what and should be able to avoid eating that which they don't want to eat.
    Where I draw the line is when someone sparks mischief with the intention of imposing their moral certitude on the public at large.
    I expect to eat meat from an animal that has a reasonable quality of life and a dignified and painless as possible death... and I pay more for that.
    If you hunt an animal, you eat it. Trophy hunting, fox hunting and badger-baiting disgust me.
    Not all of us can be vegan or even vegetarian: au contraire we are hunter gatherers insofar as our food intake is concerned, it is the success of farming that has hurt us. I go vegan twice per week because it suits my body, possibly veggie another day, eat fish at least once per week and meat thrice.
    Mrs Fez is intolerant to fungi so Quorn is out of the question; similarly green veg (broccoli aside, that is from the mustard family so is okay), soya and tofu. She has no chance of eating less meat than she already does. "They" cannot impose their morality on her without making her very ill, properly ill, indeed.
     
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  3. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    I was veggie for 35 years and then started eating meat again after a couple of years with diabetes. I eat meat twice a week and ditto fish. I think yes we are genetically hunter gatherers.
    However the population as a whole cannot continue to consume meat in large quantities and factory farming is abhorrent and eating meet fool of hormones antibiotics etc is very questionable.
    It has been interesting to see how veganism let alone vegetarianism is now much more accepted and shops and restaurants in the UK are catering accordingly
     
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  4. Scullion

    Scullion Well-Known Member

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    An interesting debate, thanks all.
    like some of you I don't like dictated to about what I can or cannot use by a minority.
    I too wonder why there is animal fat in bank notes, likewise when you look at food labeling you do wonder what the great list of chemicals actually does and why they are there. We should question these things so we can understand and challenge.
    We should decide on our own moral stance, discuss and explain to others but do not dictate and if a person dislikes the idea of animal products then, like Andy, they should try and minimise their exposure, but there will be many unavoidable situations and I guess no one died from picking up a note with animal fat in or on it.
     
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  5. Scullion

    Scullion Well-Known Member

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    I have changed the name of the thread, I think it is obvious and more politically neutral, but of course if you want to point out rediculous right, centre or left wing stuff that you think is daft, please do.
     
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  6. Scullion

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    A primary school in the East Riding of Yorkshire has banned children bringing their own fruit to school over H&S fears!
    Why? The school says they are unable to guarantee the safety of those suffering from food allergies if other students bring their own fruit!
    They are also worried about pupils bringing sharp objects to eat chopped up fruit.
    The school now sells fruit for 30p each from the school tuck shop instead.
    What has happened to personal responsibility <steam>
     
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  7. yorkshirehornet

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    I think it is ridiculous how people think rediculous is spelt these days <magic>
     
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  8. oldfrenchhorn

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  9. Scullion

    Scullion Well-Known Member

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    I stand corrected! Thank you. The spell check underlined it but I thought it was because it preferred the American spelling.
    Now I think things should be spelled correctly but I also feel that if the misspelling makes no difference to the sense or understanding it's ok.
    Both my wive's are/were literary scholars and when I ask them to read something I have written to see if it ok (ie sensible etc) the first thing they did/do is comment on the spelling and punctuation <grr>.
    Being an accountant I deal in numbers so I get my own back when I can. :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  10. Scullion

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    There has been a lot in the news lately regarding unequal pay between a BBC male and female newsreader (can't remember their names). The man gets £3000 for 15 minutes the woman £500.
    Am not wanting to get into inequality of pay but would have to comment that £500 for reading the news off an autoq for 15 minutes is ridiculous, let alone £3000. There must be many folk who would do it just as well for the minimum wage. It is an abuse of the money I pay for the licence fee.
     
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  11. andytoprankin

    andytoprankin Well-Known Member

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    It’s not as easy as you’d think. Just watch local news!
    The best at it I always thought, was Moira Stuart. Dumped because of her age as well as gender. <doh>
    Still does a good job on Classic FM.
     
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    andytoprankin Well-Known Member

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    That is bloody silly. I often wonder what important bits are missed out of a story by unscrupulous journalists to make the situation more outrageous. I can’t think what it would be in this case - unless the kids were taking in machetes to do their cutting? ;)
    Food sharing in general must be an issue, in fairness to the schools, as there are some dangerous fruit allergies. But surely a different way to manage the risks?
     
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  13. Scullion

    Scullion Well-Known Member

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    Yes I am sure it is a skill but worth £500 for 15 mins?
    Agree about Moira but all the experienced oldies being kicked out (mostly by the BBC) are finding work at stations more enlightened.
     
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  14. duggie2000

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    Additional school funding
     
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    andytoprankin Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. That’ll save ‘em. ;)
     
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    No I meant the school trying to get extra funding by selling fruit to the kids
     
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  17. andytoprankin

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    So did I. ;)
     
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  18. Scullion

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    A friend who is a support teacher at a local primary told me recently that the new young teacher of a primary 1 class (that's 5 year olds I guess) was having difficulty controlling the class because 5 (out of 20) of the pupils were disruptive.

    Several things struck me:

    How has the education system allowed this situation in the first place?
    5 year old's disruptive, seriously, surely an adult could put the fear of god in them?
    Why does the school allow 25% of the class disrupt the education of the majority?
    If they cannot be controlled, why aren't the parents involved?
    If they cannot be controlled, why are they at school?
    If the parents are unwilling to do something and control their children and support the school, the children should be suspended and sent home until the parents guaranteed that they will behave. The parents will soon do something as they will either have to look after the children or get someone else to to it, which will likely mean they cannot go to work or have to pay for child care.
    The parents should be given a deadline, if you cannot ensure the behavior of your children so they can attend school then they should be legally charged with keeping their child away from the legal requirement for a child to attend school.
    Why aren't the parents of the 75% kicking up a hell of a stink about this?

    Ok a disruptive child may have "problems", but there is plenty of support available these days.

    Another example of societies minorities impacting on the majority.

    Am I being unreasonably, not in my view!
     
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  19. oldfrenchhorn

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    As a former school governor I am afraid there are many points I cannot agree with in this Scully. From my experience parents were involved, being asked to come in for a discussion about their littles ones bad behaviour. Very often the most disruptive were the ones who came from the poor homes where the parents were out at work, doing unskilled jobs for hours on end. I don't think that telling them to stay at home, or pay for child care was even a remote possibility as quite often they were on the bread line, and this was in a rich village overall. I don't think you have visited a school budget for some time as the help that was once available has gone due to lack of proper funding. Just try to get a statement on a disruptive child so that you can get some additional help, and the child may well have moved on to junior school before the case is even heard.
    We have seen the trouble caused by teenagers being excluded from schools and wandering the streets. To suggest that you start when they are five is not a good idea. I have seen good teachers achieve great results with some of these disruptive kids by getting the child involved and interested in what they are supposed to be learning. I once took charge of a group of four children on a school trip without knowing much about them. As we wandered round one lad stayed very close to me, and asked all sorts of questions about what we could see. I discovered afterwards that he was the biggest problem in the school, yet given the chance to be listened to, and answered, his behaviour was perfect. I suppose that he was reacting with an adult who had the time as there was only the four of them in the group.
    My granddaughters went to a small village school here in France. Twenty five children, two teachers, and two classroom assistants. That costs money, but seeing as they had to learn the language before moving onto other subjects, the help that was needed was there. To see a primary school, which is what we are talking about as a money raising opportunity for a group of businessmen seems bizarre. As I have a daughter-in-law in Yorkshire who has worked as a teacher in some very rundown parts of the county with associated behavioural problems, she has said for a long time that if you don't fund your education system properly it stores up trouble.
    This is not a problem about parents, schools or teachers. It is a problem because the country is not demanding that governments value education more highly and there is not the required investment in the schools.
     
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  20. superhorns

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    It is far too complicated and easy to simply blame funding. Both Scotland and France appear to spend more per pupil but achieve far less results than England in the core subjects. Scotland in particular has managed to tumble down the attainment charts in the last ten years. There was far more poverty in previous decades with better discipline in schools, standards of behaviour have dropped through poor parenting and the must have it all society.
     
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