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OT Baroness Margaret Thatcher

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  1. ITS_NOT_JUST_A_GAME

    ITS_NOT_JUST_A_GAME Active Member

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    Tomorrow will be the funeral of the best polititcian in my lifetime. I will not say ever as Churchill made some brilliant speeches during the 2nd world war, which gave not just our troops, but also our civilians "hope" during some very dark days.
    "Maggie" was voted into power whilst England was going through some dark periods, in more ways than one. Maggies` mandate to the electorate was "elect me and these things will never happen again". She won by a landslide and she delivered on her promise, something not seen or done by many PM`s before or after her reign. During times that could have been difficult for England, leaders of other countries saw how strong our leader was and gave a wide berth.
    Could "Maggie" have done better during the latter part of her tenure: i.e. modernising industry, of course she could, but no PM has done since.

    I do understand that our brothers from the other end of the East/lancs blame her for conspiracy in coverups (personally i don`t blame them) but don`t just defame her name, name me a better politician in your lifetime.
     
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  2. Red Hadron Collider

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    John Smith.
     
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    I thought you'd left.

    What was it about Smith then?

    I remember a mate of mine crying when he died, he also said he was this stellar labour politician. (This is the same bloke who was arranging a Thatcher death party in Bristol)
     
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  4. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    I have.
     
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    As far as I recall he wanted to raise taxes. And raise taxes and raise taxes. Tax and spend all the way, definitely a proper Labour politician <ok>

    In all seriousness, I think his warm glow comes from the fact that he talked a lot of sense, but never had to put his policies into action. I reckon there would be the same sort of love in for Maggie, had she never been elected.
     
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    Ahh, good.

    Answer the question then.
     
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    My life was pretty much Manchester United, beer and dope in those days.

    Don't really recall much else, save a bit of travelling to far flung destinations. Certainly not politics.
     
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    Sweet jesus, history fail. Churchill was an idiot and an embarrassment, so much so that even the yanks just cut him out of deals with the USSR in the 40s and you have to be some blithering idiot to make that happen. When he was lord of the admiralty he was seen by his peers as a fool and go read about his long list of terrible ideas and even worse ****-ups prior to him being PM <laugh>

    Speech<laugh>

    Your comments about his speech is totally disrespectful to the hard working people who build the planes and the brave pilots and their officers who kept the Luftwaffe from ensuring victory over Britain, those and those alone are the ones who ensured British and for that matter all of nearly Europe do not speak German today, if Britain fell there would have been no US intervention.

    Churchill was a typical ruling class alcoholic that was only in the PM's seat because his party was in office.

    the guy was a joke, he really thought he could restore the "Empire" after Americans paid with their own soldier's lives to push the Japanese back, that's how ****ing stupid he was. Eisenhower used to cringe at the sight of him after his constant harassing to attack former British interests in order to get them back for Britain, he wanted to put those before beating Germany as soon as possible.

    So given your stupid OP it takes all the weight away from your Thatcher stupidity<laugh> you are the one who told me I read too many books, well INJAG you dont read enough books.<doh>

    As for "Maggie" she totally ignored any diplomatic solution to the Falklands and instead used the lives of British soldiers to show how Ard she was<ok> A true **** if ever there was one.

    Not lost on me that you think she's great because of those who hate her, how sad are you
     
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    My life was pretty much Utd, beer and school in those days, but I do definitely remember the Tories laying into his tax policies before the 92 election, and the general consensus being that Smith's desire to put taxes up and up and up cost Labour that election.
     
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    What diplomatic solution? Argentina invaded British territory and killed British soldiers in an unprovoked attack. The only diplomatic solution would have been if they had agreed to **** off back to Buenos Aires sharpish.

    People arguing for a 'diplomatic solution' are the same ****s who would have had the whole of Europe bend over and let Hitler take them up the arse purely to avoid WWII. Perhaps we should rename you BringBackCollaboration?

    Quite ironic given how many people hate her because of the vast number of Brits she made life better for.
     
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    Sisu, I don't know many politicians, and those that make prime minister, who aren't ****s so calling Thatcher one is neither here nor there.

    I don't know where you stand politically in your own country but one thing I admired Thatcher for a great deal is that she stood up to and took on the ****ing IRA who are a bunch of child murdering ****s.

    Unlike the more recent Tony Blair, who cow towed to them, forgave and pardoned their murders but also, in a nice double whammy, did exactly what you seem to despise Thatcher for in sending our armed forces to an unneccesary (and unwinable) illegal 'war', losing way more lives than the Falklands one which was justifiable in that it was against a country that invaded British territory. Rather than one that well, didn't.

    Give me Margaret Thatcher over Tony Blair and Gordon Brown any ****ing day of the week.
     
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    I have never said you read too many books, only that you drink too much.
    Considering you think Churchill was just some barmy alcoholic, it surprises me that you don`t see him some sort of soulmate.
    The last line of your comment is not lost on me that you try to twist other peoples words for your own ends. I wrote at length as to my personal reasons of why i thought she was a great PM. Please highlight the part that says i only think she was great because of those that hate her.
     
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    I always find the left's attacks on M Thatcher that she was a warmonger strange when you consider that no Prime Minister in modern times has led the UK into as many wars as Labour's Tony Blair. In 7 years, just 7 years in office he sent British soldiers to Kosovo, attack Iraq during Operation Desert Fox, into Sierra Leone and of course Afghanistan in which we are still committed. Finally lets not forget the illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003. God knows how many 'operations' Blair sent UKSF's to fight in which the public have no knowledge of.

    No doubt they'll claim Blair was not a socialist but a Tory in disguise. <doh>
     
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  14. Sweats

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    I quite liked blair as he was like a tory in disguise. <whistle>

    We did the right thing. in all those conflicts.
     
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    I can't say I agree on Afghanistan.

    What the **** are we doing there? Really?

    Blair was an utter ****, anyone who can stand there simpering and shake hands with Gerry Adams desrves beating over the head with a cricket bat until dead. He's a ****ing ****er. Do you agree wholeheartedly with the pretty much unlimited immigration he allowed also?
     
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    Didn't necessarily agree with some of his politics or some of his decisions but i thought overall he was a decent leader, and did what he thought was right. Cant ask for much more than that.

    As to Afghanistan they went in as it was just a training ground for terrorists and was harbouring bin laden. . Iraq the world was sold a lie, whether he knew who knows, though i suspect it was more about oil than anything else.

    As to immigration, the current set us has done nothing to stem the flow.. seems an impossible thing to stop. Though I would change the benefit system massively if i had my way.
     
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    My liking of a leader is also based on how i believe we are peceived as a nation. . To that he did well i thought.

    As to NI and the IRA, i dont see how anyone could have done different. it needed calming down otherwise we would still be having our cities blown up.
     
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    America's lap dog and an open door to any ****er wanting to come in and sponge themselves an easy life?
     
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    Apparently the Thatcher Foundation paid for half the funeral costs. The Commies will no doubt find a reason to object to that as well.
     
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    we have always been americas lap dog, even under maggie. though the ****ers coming in and sponging is an issue, though what do we expect of them, when we have so many proffessional english spongers.


    I'd change social welfare massively.. EU people only entitled to it after paying into the tax system for a minimum 3 years.. health care only provided if they pay NI, i dont know anything about job seekers allowance, but i'd cut that to any ****er not applying themselves to get a job after say 1 year.. immigrants should get no housing what so ever. they shouldnt be allowed in if they cant afford to be here. Genuine asylum seekers I believe should be given a helping hand.

    I'd also pay housing benefit direct to landlords not the person, I'd also pay benefits like family tax credits in tokens redeemable against certain items with certain companies liek the aussies do with aborigines to stop them being alcoholics. .

    So all in all slightly right wing but with some social bits in there... I'd also increase the retirement age, but i'd also cut state pensions to people who are loaded.. say peiople who retire with 500k in the bank or more. then increase the amount of state pension to everyone else.


    I'd probably privatise the NHS though. anything government run is inefficient in my eyes, same as councils. just pissing money down the drain. NHS privately run but state funded.. might make it more efficient and enable people to get all the treatments out there. and also ban slags getting their tits done on the nhs or any other form of plastic surgery unless its due to deformation or such like..

    I'd blow up ireland.. invade france and nuke the middle east <ok>
     
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