Off Topic Politics Thread

I don't think anyone will actually use a nuclear weapon

 

Seems to me that argument is exactly the same as the one that got voters in their millions to accept years of pointless austerity: just put up with a few (50?) more years of discomfort, shortage, and poverty, it’s worth it because your lords and masters have sorted their tax problems out.

 

Sony moves HQ from the UK to the Netherlands to avoid complications of Brexit

P & O reflagging fleet from UK to Cyprus in order to keep tax arrangements inside the EU after Brexit

What a ****ing triumph!

Vin

 

Dyson moving HQ from Malmesbury to Singapore.

WAFT!

 

Or to paraphrase, James Dyson campaigns for Brexit then moves company to Singapore where, their having signed a free trade deal with the EU, his company will have better access to the EU market (6,000 miles away) than will Britain (22 miles away) in the event of a No Deal Brexit.

Coincidentally (I'm sure) this move will also prevent Dyson from being caught by the anti-tax avoidance legislation recently imposed by the EU.

Vin

 

Exactly. The ATAD came into effect on 1st Jan. Why does no one ever mention this in Parliament, as if we didn’t know?

 

Dyson have not manufactured in the U.K. for years (approx 2002). They moved it all out to Malaysia.... then two years ago announced they will be moving most manufacturing from their to Phillipines due to the then upcoming tax implications in Malaysia.

I've not read anything yet on this HQ move, but they are still investing in the U.K. Site, basically turning it into a college. They were also doing the car development there. Try and check out the grants they get for R&D and education!

They were a customer of mine until I changed jobs two years ago.

 

OECD chief not concerned about a "no deal:"

 

?????

Thats some serious spin on somebody calling it the worst case scenario and talking about how they are ready to pitch in and help with the negative consequences.

 

It’s simply not true that “the whole world is trading on WTO terms”. No one does that, not exclusively.

 

There's a lot of spin going round. People trying to say Brexit is the same as Trump ignoring that Trump sold a manifesto of protectionism while leave sold a "manifesto" of "leaving a protectionist block."

Despite yesterday's report saying that only 4% might have thought no deal meant leaving things as they are the remain camp have continued going on about it being 26% (or something in the twenties) all day long yesterday on twitter.

 

I believe he was asked if they were prepared for no deal and he was just pointing out they are experienced with WTO as they all have some trade on those terms, so understand the concerns and so are prepared to deal with the negative consequences, or bumps as he called them. Called the entire thing regretable.

Basically he was being negative about Brexit but positive about his organisations reaction to it.

 

Using a positive sounding soundbite that's a complete lie then sidestepping the issue when caught out and blaming it on the other side. You've become such a politician Imps.

 

May I remind everyone that all the major parties said we should remain...........Lo and behold what are they still saying.........(despite a few rebels). Which ever way it goes it looks like we will remain one way or tother..............

 

I don't think any of these Tory Brexiteers are really going to realise what a terrible mistake they are making until all of the Eastern European sex workers have to go home. I'd like to see what happens when they have to call the army in to deal with THAT back-log...

 

Found this on Facebook, don’t know if any or all of it is made up or in fact true.



Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.

 

Cadbury - owned by US company Mondalez - moves some production to Poland in 2017, not 2012. The company states this was a temporary measure. I can’t find any evidence of an E.U. grant?

Ford Transit did indeed move to Turkey. Turkey isn’t in the EU.

Yes, we know about Jaguar Land Rover. Their CEO was on the news the other day, citing Brexit as one reason.

So the first three on that list are bollocks. I’m calling bollocks on the whole thing.

 

As I said that's doing the rounds on Facebook, people will read that and believe it all to be true.....dangerous tool social media.

 

A quick skim and this section jumped out at me.

ARM, for one. $2Bn a year.

What EU regulations forbit teaching "electronic technology for technicians"? [EDIT: Serendipitously Mrs Onionman has just this moment returned from invigilating an exam at the Uni - Electromagnetism/Conductivity for Electronics and Electrical Engineering. Do they not know they are forbidden to teach this by the EU?]

Sady, though, you're right. People believe this utter ****.

What a ****ing triumph!

Vin

 

If it's on Facebook just assume it's fake. I don't just mean that for politics, everything from news stories to people searching for missing pets needs to be taken with a pinch of salt unfortunately. It's worse than even Twitter.