Season Tickets

Lots of consistent reports on Twitter saying 10,000 ST’s haven’t been renewed and that 26k have.

The gaps are likely to be quite visible.

Add to that the fans who auto renewed in Jan on the price freeze deals but won’t turn up and a big statement looks like being made.

 

Bet there's still over 45k there against Arsenal

 

35k tops is my best guess.

 

Ashley doesnt care if its empty all season

 

Probably squeeze a few more SD adverts in

 

Exactly he makes very little from fans thsts why he doesnt care

The fans simply bait to sign players to fatten up

 

T. The payments from Sky dwarf what comes in through ticket sales.

 

Income from attendances was about £24M last season. Yes a small proportion but not insignificant. Lose £10M and he will notice. Also don’t underestimate the effect on Sky of empty seats and matches selection later in the season.

 

He can just sell a player

 

Or two...

 

Empty seats will impact upon the Sky/ PL brand in the far east. Sky like to call the PL the best in the world and show full houses.

 

I have already got mine - I am a Gold Member now. It works out a bit expensive but at least I am guaranteed seats for the away game at Man Utd on Boxing Day with them.

 

A gold member hahaha ashley really is taking the piss

 

Anyone who thinks the money from fans for tickets are insignificant really dont understand.

It's roughly £280m in matchday revenue collected by Ashley since he purchased the club 12 years ago. Not only does that pay for any losses incurred through the two relegations (very soon to be three), but this doesnt include any other revenue, i.e shirts, merch, online sales, stadium tours etc.

Anyone who says well done to Ashley for keeping us afloat is talking nonsense. He uses the money the fans carry on ploughing into the club to keep us afload, nothing more.

Ashley is fortunate that he does not need to release the last two years accounts up until 01/07/2019, with next to nothing spent and hundreds of millions entering the account, even he's financial specialists are going to find it increasingly difficult to hide the pro'fit the clubs made.

 

We've decided to not renew our season tickets which is a shame as it's part of longer trips that we make back to the region. We'll always support the club and I'll be in my local in my shirt for every game that we're on. I think for us, lethargy has set in - pre-season has started and we're down a manager and 2 of our best players. Clearly we won't buy players until a manager is sorted and the season starts in a month. The club is increasingly unprofessional and it is clear that we have an owner that is deliberately undermining our chances of survival.

Maybe this is just Monday morning chat but we'll see!

 

I hope it's an old one and not one from the Ashley era mate

 

He makes very little from the club full stop. Its a vehicle for SD to prosper and it has. Its difficult to see the motivation to sell but he may just feel he is doing so while the stock is high.

The empty seats etc is all very well but it will just see a load of negative press. One that won't help the team, and it could oddly help Ashley. A big press focus on Newcastle's troubles will see him back in the news with SD mentioned at every turn. What is it they say about there being no such thing as bad publicity.

 

This is very nice speculation but do you have any evidence whatsoever that the club is making huge profits which he is pocketing? The accounts tell a story, as do accounts across the country in football clubs. Football club don't make very much money at all. I'm bewildered why people think we are a unique case and we're actually making money hand over fist? Accounts can be doctored somewhat but even that has its limits. What we would be suggesting also is that every club in the country is doctoring accounts constantly to hide huge profits? I don't think this could be going on without authorities taking an interest.

 

Obviously we are not as pofitable as we could be. With Commercial/matchday revenue being lower currently than what it was in the year prior to Ashley purchasing the club. Also to put this in to context, Spurs have incressed their commerical revenue by over 100% which means not only have theyh overtaken us, they've completed dwarfed anything we could look to aspire to in the near future.

Ashley not paying for advertising, keeping prices genereally low (along with quality) means the club spend very little and aside from the TV money, we bring in very little, which make us "Sustainable".

The problem with sustainability is if your not looking at maximising revenue and income, then you wont have much to spend and you can use this as an excuse. You can use graphs and facts to show how we cant spend because we have no ambition.

Norwich have spent three years in the championship. They have begun pre-season in their new training facilities this summer, they look very smart. Bournemouth have planning permission in for theirs, despite an average attendance of 11,105. They spent £25m or Lerma, £20m on Ake, 19m on solanke, however our 52,000 fanbase and hundreds of millions in TV money cant afford diddly squat.

This is the third year of huge TV money, 17/18 -18/19 and 19/20 of £120m + in TV money.

Bearing in mind our operating costs (year ending June 18 - First year back in the PL) were £119.6m, Whilst income was at £178.5m

Mitro was sold for £22m + bonuses
Armstrong 1.75
Selz 4m
Merino £10m
Other players going for minimal funds, like De jong, Lewis gibson, chancel mbemba

When adding up all the sales, it kind of ties in with the players bought give or take

Schar £3m
Dubravka £4m
Ki - Free
Muto £9m
Fernandez - £6m
Almiron £20m

If we use the template for the first year back in the PL and use that for last year and the upcoming year (TV money goes up but ill use an average of £180m income.

180m Income x 3 = £540m

Costs £120m x 3 = £360m

very basic but £180m, also bear in mind, Nufc confirmed we had £33m cash in the bank when they submitted the 17/18 accounts. so £213m

Our income and costs would have changed marginally. obviously fluctution in costs and expenses is bound to happen. But in a system where our costs are much lower than our income and our transfers pay for themselves, there is no reason why Newcastle couldnt use the forthcoming TV money due in the season to come and spend £150m on players if they so wanted to. This would also allow for an increase in wage and signing on fees etc.

Imagine the amount we could have to spend if we were run with ambition?

However last time we did that under McClaren we got relegated, so fat ash might just be bulding a big pot to pay for our next relegation.

 

Sorry there is still no actual evidence here or explanation of why so many football clubs are not making much money at all. I know its a popular axe to grind with Ashley but it does just seem to be hearsay once you look at the accounts. When this is pointed out its then the accounts have been doctored. When its then pointed that very few clubs make money and most owners describe them as a money pit, then its radio silence. I'm not sure it is all that helpful to just keep pushing agendas which don't appear to be based in fact. I'm not having a go but I think you're falling into the trap of many fans with amateur accounting.