Match Day Thread Sheffield Wednesday v Bristol City

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  1. Redprintt

    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    Umpiring is far better with help from camera technology making cricket a better game. It makes total sense for someone else calling a no ball. It allows the umpire that extra split second making decisions.
    Unless football goes back to just goal line decisions VAR will have the opposite effect on football.
     
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    I am not comparing sport for sport, I am comparing the lack of self respect/lack of moral fibre, sadly a modern day trait.

    As for the last paragraph, even though most of these players are multi millionaires, can I respectfully suggest that the amount of money that will be awash in this super league will ensure a total cheat fest.
     
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    Its not a modern phenomenon. Footballers have been cheating for decades.
     
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    Not on this industrial scale and certainly not feigning injury, that was never on the agenda.

    In my book anybody who cheats to get a fellow professional sent off, is a disgrace to that profession.
     
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    Fouling was endemic in football. Each team had its hardmen. Intimidation was a norm. It was cheating. As the game evolves so does the cheating. Cheating for pros is normal and encouraged by a cyclic culture. We may view that culture dimly but at present there is little will to challenge it. And until action occurs consistently to alter the gamesmanship culture of football the cycle has to continue.
     
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    It was a badge of honour to stand up to the fouling and intimidation in the old days, if a player stayed down he was really injured.

    The cheating now is beyond the pale, the only action needed is self respect, moral fibre and professionalism from individuals.
     
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  7. Redprintt

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    Maybe because I was young, but I loved playing 60s,70s and 80s.
    Especially the 70s, the ball was lighter than earlier, proper tackling (man and ball) was allowed and most men played. Now the majority of teenagers prefer gaming and the bloody Internet.
    As for 'cheating', I'll take kicking over squealing fakes anytime.
    Football, as life is now PC.
     
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  8. Jiffie

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    Growing up I was a defender, my dad always said the first tackle was always the most important, it set the tone of your game. He would never accept me closing my eyes to head the ball or flinching if the ball came at my face especially in a defensive wall and only stay down if I was physically unable to get up, don't ever let your opponent know he hurt you.
     
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    Probably risking knocking the thread off-piste Jiffie, but how do you NOT close your eyes when heading the ball? It's a natural instinct and very difficult to train for - for me anyway - especially if the ball comes at you unexpectedly!
    I admit I gave up working on my heading skills - being 5 foot 10 I was a bit short to get 'stuck in' anyway - and besides, at Left Mid I was always the one putting the crosses in or taking the free kicks/corners for others to stick their bonces onto!!!
    I only had 2 skills but they both served me well - I was fast and I could use both feet. Heading was always my weakness though.
     
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    Your eyes closed only for a split second, what Jiffie's talking about is closing your eyes early before or as the ball is kicked.
    My Dad said things similar to Jiffie's and I remember one particular instruction - never pass across your own box.
    They do it a 100 times a game now.
    And goals happen every week because of it.
     
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    It's like anything else mind over matter, look at old photos of John Atyeo or any of the great centre forwards of the day heading the ball, very rare to see them with their eyes closed. I practiced it and to be honest my greatest motivation was not being admonished by my dad, I would rather take a bloody nose.

    I was fast, could tackle and was fairly strong, my weakness was I was totally right footed, that was the one thing I never practiced enough.

    Have a look at this photo of John Atyeo, 2 things struck me one it looks as though his eyes are open and 2 look at the height off of the ground.

    John-Ateyo-Footballer13.jpg
     
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    And players were paid to injure the opponents. Players were paid to intimidate opponents. I as a humble semi pro was. It was cheating.

    What has evolved is the forms of cheating.

    And my Managers and coaches instructed me to go through opponents knowing the referees would allow the first, second and sometimes third fouls. I was expected to challenge for balls I realistically could not win with no regard for the welfare of my opponent. Leave a mark on him was the common shout. It was wreckless and dangerous. It was cheating. We were encouraged on occasions to intimidate opposing teams before kick off with threats if they were perceived to be mentally weak. Low level thuggery stuff, dumb bullying ... But it was our acceptable cheating as a group within a culture that encouraged being hard frequently over being able to (really) play.

    Thankfully I broke no limbs, snapped no ACL's, but I know with hindsight it was wrong, regressive and seeing how football has evolved, even at Western league Southern League levels from that stupid overt masculinity is for the good.

    The feigning, the game management is evolved cheating, the new acceptable culture within that culture, the game evolving as it always does.
     
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    Yes quite possibly, but I'm sure there is a much older one from the 1970's and could have sworn it involved Ipswich.
     
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    For me, and I suspect many others it became more obvious and noticeable with the arrival of players such as Klinnsman at Spurs.
     
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    I personally never set out to injure anyone and I was never told to either, but if anyone came in hard on me then I made sure they got it back as soon as they got the ball - just so there was an understanding!!!!
     
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    Me too.
     
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    If your told to challenge for balls you cannot win (40/60, 30/70) because if you do not you will not play the consequences are you will injure others. I certainly did not think about consequences.

    Outside of that culture, I lived in South Africa and on trial at the club (amateur) I played for was quickly told to calm down, be less aggressive, be more responsible for others before I seriously inured others. It was a different culture.

    The dynamic now with squads full of players from abroad has altered. Unacceptable becomes acceptable to the group. The thread is off at a tangent but Danny Murphy's comments here may interest about again a Spurs player - Son.

    "BERKS LIKE GARY LINEKER" Heated Simon Jordan & Danny Murphy debate following Son/Cavani VAR scandal - YouTube
     
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  18. Redprintt

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    Me too.
    However, there were a few in my 11 who would and were specifically told to 'do' them anywhere other than near our box.
    When I look back I ponder whether it was right, it wasn't right or wrong it was part of the game back then.
    And no one's telling me now in 2021 that it was wrong.

    I prefer the game and 'code' back then rather than possession possession possession, back to the keeper, getting caught playing in your own box and worst of all these screaming fairies trying to cheat referees decisions.
     
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  19. Cliftonville

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    Its cheating.

    Cheating isn't wrong? Until ..

    Until its is here an example of how team culture moulds thinking. Our cheating as us and we isn't wrong.

    These players do not think they are wrong either. The behaviour aligns with how the group thinks. The rolling around like a fanny if its our fanny is in the best interests of our team = Our cheating as an us or we isn't wrong.
     
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  20. bcfcredandwhite

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    I was probably never told to go into a tackle aggressively because of the position I played.
    Left Midfield (or left wing) was more of a pacy position rather than a position of strength.
    ... and I was never tricky or skilled enough to attract ‘special’ attention from the opposition either <laugh>
    I probably had quite a cushy time of it during my playing days!!
    My worst injury came playing 5-a-side when I ruptured my rec-fem. No contact at all - just went by itself. I was told I would never play again - but I did!!!!
     
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