Should Knewco be brought to book for the child abuse cover up ?

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  1. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    No, but i'll bet that does not change what I posted.
     
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  2. Tina_old

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    You're a fanny :laugh:
     
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    So why are you now an "ex-Prod"?
     
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    You're a AIDS-ridden mess of a man pretending to be a girl <laugh>
     
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  6. DevAdvocate

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    Are you saying Pat Finucane was an IRA man?

    I suppose in your world all Kafflicks are IRA men.
     
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  7. Tina_old

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    :laugh:
     
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  8. Clunge Beater

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    He wasn't, but he was a known associate of many of the scumbags from the Kilwilkie Estate <ok>
     
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    Because i'm an Aetheist, I never said anything about abuse from Prods, maybe you should read back exactly what I said.

    And If you are denying that the UDR and RUC had sectarian bigots among their ranks then you are living in denial.

    It is an established fact and was common knowledge.
     
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  10. DevAdvocate

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    So NOT an IRA man then as Medro says? I thought so. <laugh>
     
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    I know, I don't have to be told on the internet. We used to drink in the Pigs Bar in Mahon Road Bks during Drumcree and they used to boast about how many IRA scumbags they had whacked on the Garvaghy Road.

    We used to toast EVERY whack they dished out <ok>
     
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  12. Tina_old

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    <laugh>'
     
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    No, he wasn't. But he was a known associate of all the top IRA scumbags in Lurgan, in fact no, ALL of County Armagh and beyond <ok>
     
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    I know, it was great <laugh>
     
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    I bet it was <laugh> Bet you're a hoot at parties <magic>
     
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    Rangers is my Religion.

    I worship them 365247......<ok>
     
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  17. Medro

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    Yes Pat Finucane was in the IRA.

    An open secret in N.Ireland

    "Adams and Finucane arrived together in the morning and left at lunchtime. Did Finucane introduce himself as a member of the IRA? No. Did anyone present describe him as such? No. It was, however, exclusively an IRA meeting and quite clearly, without doubt, understood to be so by all present."

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...t-have-been-killed-but-he-was-in-the-IRA.html
     
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  18. Tina_old

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    You need to get out more.
     
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    <laugh><laugh>That doesn't back up what you said. If anything, the opposite.

    Christ almighty <laugh>Epic fail, wee man.
     
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    Sean O'Callaghan was the former Chief of Staff of the IRA and his veracity as a witness has been corroborated by both the British and Irish Governments and their intelligence services. Whilst a part of the IRA terrorist organisation, Mr O'Callaghan had intimate knowledge of the machinations and senior personnel of the IRA. Writing in The Spectator Magazine on 21 Oct 2000 he said:

    I take issue, however, with one recurring phrase in this affair, and that is the description of Pat Finucane as a 'human-rights lawyer'. 'Human-rights lawyer' suggests a person fiercely and without favour defending the human rights of citizens from state or terrorist abuse of such rights.

    It does not suggest a person with ferociously strongly held political views, or membership of a secret terrorist organisation responsible for murder, mutilation and intimidation. But the truth, whether people like it or not, is that Pat Finucane was an Irish republican and a member of the IRA. Unless you believe that terrorists are justified in using the legitimate legal system to their advantage, he was not a 'human-rights lawyer'.

    Let me go further. Pat Finucane was firstly an IRA volunteer of some seniority and secondly a solicitor who mostly represented IRA prisoners or the families of IRA volunteers killed by the security forces. I speak from personal knowledge. I first met Pat Finucane in 1980 at a high-level IRA finance meeting in Letterkenny in the Irish Republic.

    Also present were Gerry Adams, Pat Doherty, Tom Cahill, Gerry Fitzgerald and several other people. The meeting took place in the upstairs room of a pub. Adams and Pat Finucane arrived together in the morning and left at lunchtime.

    At that time, IRA finances were in a dire state and the meeting drew together people from IRA GHQ and its Northern and Southern Commands to discuss ways of putting its financial operation on a more structured footing.

    Pat Finucane may have been introduced by name; others, such as Tom Cahill, certainly were. At the time I was working for the Irish government and faithfully reported back details of the meeting, which was exclusively composed of members of the IRA.

    The next time I met him was in December 1988 in Crumlin Road Jail in Belfast. I was on remand after giving myself up to the police and admitting my involvement in numerous terrorist crimes in Northern Ireland in the mid-1970s. Pat Finucane tried officially to become my lawyer, but I did not sign the necessary forms. He did, however, visit me on a number of occasions. His purpose? To discover what I had told the RUC and to ascertain whether I intended to give evidence against accomplices.

    He was very wary about what he said in the visiting cell, but in a cell underneath the courtroom he asked me one day what else I had admitted. I mentioned the attempted murder of a loyalist terrorist and went into some detail. He looked at me and said, 'And after all that, you still missed him.' There was no doubt that he meant the comment as a reprimand.

    Republican and loyalist terrorist organisations have always desperately needed solicitors whose loyalty is not to their clients but to the security of the terrorist organisation. A suspected terrorist is arrested and is being questioned. A named solicitor is requested - let us suppose he is Pat Finucane. He wants to know if any statements have been made and any arms dumps, safe houses, individuals and so on compromised. He instructs his client to keep his mouth shut - 'Whatever you say, say nothing' - and then reports back to the IRA. That was one reason why Pat Finucane was so valuable.

    Also, of course, he had almost unhindered access to clients on remand, which ensured a constant stream of messages between the prisoners and the IRA leadership on the outside, and between different sections of the prison.

    I believe a full and proper inquiry into the murder of Pat Finucane is both necessary and desirable. There is at present an inquiry into 'Bloody Sunday' and calls for one into the murder of Rosemary Nelson, a Lurgan solicitor. I have no problems with inquiries where it has been established that there are reasonable grounds to question the role of agents of the state. What I find repugnant, however, is the lack of honesty.

    Did Pat Finucane or Rosemary Nelson ever campaign against the mutilation beatings, the knee-cappings or the exiling? Did they or the British state (even since the Belfast Agreement) ever call for an inquiry into the role of the present Northern Ireland Minister for Education in the IRA terrorist campaign?

    What about Le Mons, Claudy, Birmingham, Enniskillen and dozens of other atrocities? What about the role of the Irish Republic in the formation of the Provisional IRA? It strikes me that what is sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander.

    If the intent in Northern Ireland was to create a peaceful period so that politicians could put a political framework in place, it follows that true reconciliation should be the next step. What we are seeing now is not reconciliation, but a desire by nationalists to continue the 'war' by other means. The blatant selectivity and hypocrisy is disgraceful.

    I have been very reluctant to become involved in the Pat Finucane affair. His murder, I repeat, was wrong and I utterly condemn it. He was a member of the IRA, but that does not carry a death sentence. I wish that instead he had faced the full rigour of the law.

    Whatever Pat Finucane was, he was not a 'human-rights' lawyer. For him to be so described is an insult to those who have without favour or prejudice upheld the human rights of citizens throughout the world.
     
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