could you explain what you mean by "Brown rescued us from league one", please, as i'm not sure what you're referring to.
I have tried to not get embroiled in this particular thread as everyone has their era, their own recolections, and predgudice's, so those of a youthful age now have no hope of evaluating the merits of Carter etc, Different era's also throw up many anomalies, after WW2 money, and resources were tight, very tight, and that even extented to football. Today money is thrown around Monoply style, so players of a certain value today may not, in the mind of many an older fan, be a patch on stars of yesteryear. Duncan Edwards or Harry Kane?, Geoff Hurst or Deli Alli? Bobby Charlton or Eden Hazard?, I hope you get my point. So I am not going to give a best 5, 10 or even 100 as football over the years have given me a great amount of pleasure, the same for managers, I was a big, big fan of Brian Clough, but how would he fit into todays celebrity manger circus, especially with interviews after the match? No I enjoyed the stars of the day that I saw at the time and many a player were never stars but still gave me enjoyment watching them. I always thought that those at the top had to perform near on miracles nearly every week and that is not possible, some matches have given me enjoyment that I never expected, even City reserve matches on a cold wet night at BP. So continue your personal choices, its nice to read them, but for me football as a whole was a joy to watch, these days its mostly a pain.
Nicely put ref - I'm the same as you, I read these football threads, tut, shake my head, laugh, shake my head some more and prepare to write and then think ......... ''**** it''. Off Topic threads do for me - they're the future
Well said ref. We all look through our own personal lenses based on the eras we first started our love of watching football. The longer we've been around, the greater our comparisons are enhanced. In our day exposure was limited by an inability to travel and the lack of visual media coverage . There is so much media saturation these days, it's almost as if the game in its purest form - loyalty to your home town club - has become a thing of the past. In other words, it's been diluted. Long gone are the days when the pain in football was, as Michael Parkinson put it "You could feel the pain when you watched Barnsley's Skinner Normanton kicking the **** out of the opposition and the refs letting it go !". The pain is different these days, as you rightly say. Edit: I'm not in anyway suggesting fans do not love their home town clubs - just that their perspective is based on a different set of parameters which excessive money in the game has created.
Excuse the stepping outside my lanes - don't do it very often - but we chat a fair bit about prospective Hall of Fame nominees this week:
I think it should be relative though, if someone is a champion player but surrounded by ****, hardly their fault if they don't win the accolades to reflect it. Similarly, should loyalty and perseverance also be rewarded? If you go purely on objective achievements then the only entrants would be players from the last 10 years.
How about a Hall of Shame instead? I'd like to start with the following nominations: The Allams Bullard Mark Hateley
+the bloke who had the gyms and locked us out. name long since erased from my brain. +could we include arsenal's spitty player?
Billy Bly A Dawson R Jobson R Dewhurst* A Davidson S Elliot Sir Ian Ashbee (Capt.) N Barmby Waggy Chillo R Carter Subs: Myhill, Turner, Jenson, Brabin, Geovanni, Whitehurst, Windass Boss: W Joyce Kitman: J Eyre Owner: H Needler *I'm a Beverlonian..
