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Stitched Up....................

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by pirate49, Mar 24, 2013.

  1. pirate49

    pirate49 Well-Known Member
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    My first post on this F1 board....but I couldn't believe the final laps of today's G.P.
    Does anyone bet on the outcome of a race?
    Shouldn't spectators have the right to see drivers compete fairly?
    Webber and Rosberg could have taken Vettel and Hamilton respectively, but
    obeyed team orders and held back.
    That's more like cycling has become, where the team facilitates a win for
    a nominated rider. I know this approach is nothing new, but today I thought that
    the spectator was cheated.
     
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  2. BrightLampShade

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    I'm not a fan of team orders but in a sport like F1 the team comes first, and often knows best (not McLaren ;) )
     
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  3. ErnieBecclestone

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    Yea, been following F1 since the 60s, never liked team orders but understand why some may believe they are acceptable, not a fan of Vettel in any way, but I would have done the same thing myself, racing is racing after all, that's why we all pay to watch it.

    Also thought Suzy Perry was of the same view, she was very good, held it together nicely.
     
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  4. Cristòfol

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    I'd never bet on F1 for reasons like this. Also I'm very loyal to Mercedes I don't tend to bet against teams I support and aren't willing to bet money if I don't believe we're going to win but maybe you have a point. But this is how it works, sort of a 'bet at your own risk' dealio
     
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  5. StoneRosesRam

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    Team orders have been and always will be part of the sport, I'm afraid any newcomer to the sport has to accept that as I have been trying to do today to my non F1 friends.
     
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  6. DHCanary

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    It leaves a bad taste in the mouth when you've got all 3 podium-finishers in the wrong order. But, there's no way to prevent team orders (teams will just be more subtle) so they've become an unfortunate part of the sport.
     
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  7. ErnieBecclestone

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    I am not sure anyone has to accept any issue, people can believe or choose as to their own thinking, the absolute worst and best example of team orders were the Schumacher era, where I actually stopped following F1 with my usual passion for almost his entire career.

    I most certainly did not accept team orders were the way forward.
     
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  8. StoneRosesRam

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    I don't accept that team orders are right but I am well aware that teams are more than willing to use them no matter how bad it may look to the public so when they do happen I don't get worked up anymore, I did back in Austria in 2002 as I was a newcomer to the sport but people do have to accept that team orders will always be used whether they like it or not.
     
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    Why did they change the rules to allow team orders? was it just the FIA making the easy decision to avoid another scandal like Ferrari had a couple of years ago?
     
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  10. BrightLampShade

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    Probably because the FIA bottled dealing with Ferrari after blatant team orders so just changed the rules rather than risk upsetting Ferrari.
     
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  11. ErnieBecclestone

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    Ultimately, "WE" pay for the sport of F1 in some way or another, and whether teams like it or not, "IF" we don't follow the sport they don't have a future, Ecclestone would soon pay attention if the source of his income became negatively affected and team orders would be banned, very quickly.
     
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  12. SgtBhaji

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    Like it or not... F1 is a team sport first and foremost. It makes perfect sense for any team to ask their drivers to hold station and bank points, I don't think that is stitching anybody up at all.

    Merc should have probably asked Hamilton to move over and let Rosberg go when they knew he was quicker rather than holding station as Brittney could have put RBR under pressure. They could have asked Hamilton to quit re-taking the position when Rosberg passed and applied team orders slightly differently. I don't think anybody would have had an issue with that.

    As for RBR, they did the right thing from the team's point of view in asking their drivers to hold station. They had the race under control so it was stupid to risk losing those points. Decisions like that may not be ideal for us fans, but there's good reason to use them.
     
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  13. ErnieBecclestone

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    Nah.
     
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  14. SgtBhaji

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    LOL! :D

    Like I say... not fun to watch but understandable in certain situations. It's when team orders are applied like Austria '02 that it gets right on my short and curlies.
     
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  15. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

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    Whether it's legal or not, they'd do it anyway.

    The only way to stop it is my suggestion. Take out the radios. They are allowed no communication with the outside world beyond what they can see around them.

    When they want to come in, they just come in, and the team will see that and rush out to change their tyres (they might not even put the desired sets on... yay!). When they are being too hard on their tyres, screw it, they'll soon learn in a few races that 1800 stops isn't a good idea!

    We'd soon see which drivers had genuine race-craft, and which were merely management pawns all along!
     
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  16. SgtBhaji

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    Good idea... pit boards only.
     
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  17. BrightLampShade

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    Pah, Morse code only! See who's txt speak morse code is the best.
     
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  18. Enjoy F1 2013!

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    Cry me damn river! Red Bull were holding Seb back the whole bloody GP and he got shafted on the 3rd pit stop, getting chucked behind Lewis. Red Bull can go whistle if they think they can screw over Seb because he won't take no **** if he feels he is getting short strawed.

    Webber can stfu and deal with it, hope Seb told it to his face "That's what you get for trying to fk me over at Silverstone and Brazil."
     
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  19. TheJudeanPeoplesFront

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    No no... Tweeting only. Much more skillful to tweet and race at 180 mph at the same time <wizard>
     
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  20. BrightLampShade

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    Buttons or Hamiltons championship to loose then!
     
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