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The EU debate - Part III

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  1. NSIS

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    Pete, nether the Gvt nor the leave campaign had any sort of plan, and as far as just about everybody can see, they still don't!

    If you're going to hold a referendum on something as vitally important to the country as leaving the EU, it might be handy if you had a plan as to how you intended to Proceed afterwards.

    They didn't!..,,
     
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    The reason for no plan from the Gov (Cameron) was Remain was expected to win
     
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    See I disagree completely.
    Why plan your exit until you know whether the UK wants out?
    Hold the referendum, get the answer, then plan the exit before you invoke Article 50.
    Why waste man hours planning your exit strategy just to lose the referendum?
    The referendum was to gauge where people stood on the EU.
    We now have as much time as we want to plan the strategy before article 50 is invoked, there is no rush, it needs to be done right.
    Despite pressure from asshats abroad, wanting us to rush it so we make a pigs ear and look like idiots.

    The UK people said they want out, now its the governments job to plan how best to do that.
    The Leave campaign couldn't have planned a leaving strategy Pre-referendum, because most of this tory government was Remain. Who would they have planned it with?
     
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    You have to cover both contingencies, even if you think the result is not going to be a problem

    You have to appear professional, Bod. You have to look like you know what you're doing. Know what you want to do next, know where you're headed. None of those things were remotely apparent.

    It was like, 'oh ****! You mean they voted to leave???! Ok quick, make it look like we're prepared!'

    They weren't, not even remotely!
     
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    Well I can't argue with that part <laugh>

    No one was prepared for leave to win.
    Even Farage had all but written off Leaves chances just before the voting started, he said as much.

    Cameron had so much egg on his face the next day, it was hilarious.
     
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    This. ^^^^^^

    Plus the strategy exists. The framework is what they've been using in the on going negotiations with the EU and other nations.
     
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    I get that people wanted out of the EU but as there was no plan for a UK outside of the EU they were voting for an unknown alternative. Will it turn out better for all of those voters? Unlikely. It's that lack of certainty that concerns me, not being out of the EU specifically.

    I wouldn't vote for a political party that had no manifesto or policies simply because I didn't like the policies of the other party. What if the former turned out to be worse than the latter?

    The comedy of the whole situation is that we've ended up with a Remain supporter overseeing Brexit and as there was no plan she can structure it in any way she sees fit. She's already pitted Johnson, Davis and Fox against each other so that she can throw them under the bus if she needs to apportion blame.
     
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    What strategy?! Where? There's nothing apart from May and Davis arguing about the single market.

    They can't even agree on that! <doh>
     
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    Anyone who wants to look at a genuine plan should do a search for Flexcit
     
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    The fresh findings come as the Government prepares to reveal its stratergy for Brexit - after newly-appointed ministers were summoned to Theresa May’s residence in Chequers to deliver plans for implementing EU-exit changes in their departments.

    Few details of what package the Conservative administration will be looking to negotiate with both the EU and countries around the world have yet emerged.

    http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk_57cc522fe4b01e35922b48e1
     
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    I don't think a lot of people appreciate how long it's going to take to secure these trade deals. Each and every one of them will involve complex negotiations and there will be dozens of them to push through ASAP.
     
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    Business is business, Oz deal will be done with UK long before any deal with the EU is anywhere close to being finalised.
    1 country is easy to deal with 27 is not, thats why a deal with Canada and USA will not happen with the EU.

    The UK will not be the bottom of anyones pile, what ever they say in public.
     
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    Much will be replacing the deals the EU has with 50 countries around the world. Canada is no different to Australia and already has 15 trade deals with the EU.
    The key issue as I understand it isn't whether we are top or bottom of the pile, it's getting sufficent manpower to negotiate and finalise them all.
     
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    Please elaborate on this as you present it as fact.
     
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    You are not that naive are you? Politicians say one thing and do another.
    Same with Obama says UK bottom of pile, Congress say top of pile, along with many US buinesses, who do you think will win that one (not the out going president thats for sure)

    Do you really think OZ will not talk to the UK or any other country while they deal with the EU?
     
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    Banks CANCEL recession forecasts: Backtracking 'Remain' banks now BACK Brexit Britain

    LEADING investment banks have revised their predictions as good results for August shows the manufacturing and construction sectors are showing signs of recovery after Brexit slowdown.

    Banks in the US and Switzerland have announced positive data following a better than expected turnaround in August.
    In a shock u-turn, global banks Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley as well as Swiss bank Credit Suissse now claim Britain will avoid recession
    The banks have been bouyed by UK "resillience" after the uncertainty caused by the British EU referendum.

    So much for experts...
     
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