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The Knee

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Yorkshire-Rs, Sep 21, 2020.

  1. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    Thank you, Will
     
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  2. Goldhawk-Road

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    Yes, I'm not saying a campaign of civil disobedience doesn't work - just that it needs to be aimed at government not at the public. You mention the suffragettes. When Emily Davison threw herself under the King's horse, her death embarrassed government, but it also secured a huge amount of public sympathy.

    We have black politicians like David Lammy who has a strong voice in Parliament and on LBC. These politicians can point out where they feel the UK is racist, and if plausible, government and society must react. But we have to be realistic as to when there are problems in the black/BAME community caused by a racist system, and when they are caused by other factors.
     
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  3. Goldhawk-Road

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    It's a vocal minority that complain about black families in Christmas ads. It's not an issue with most people.

    I think people are wary of virtue signalling by big commercial companies on a number of issues. So perhaps pushing a pro BAME message should be done subtly by them, so people realise the message is worthy and genuine
     
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  4. TC (Lovely Geezer)

    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't matter what you want or think Will. The club listened, and we all came to a compromise - everyone's happy - nothing left to see!!
     
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  5. Quite Possibly Raving

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    Yep, don't disagree that more ought to be targeted towards govt, much more likely to be successful.
     
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  6. Sooperhoop

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    Just a line to put things into perspective, I've read a couple of match reports in which the football content was barely 25% of the copy. MSM are only interested in demonizing football and it's supporters at every opportunity as Millwall supporters know only too well. If you give them a sniff they'll crucify you come what may. We, as a club, had our dose of this bile after the Coventry game, it doesn't matter what you do in the community, they have their agenda...
     
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  7. kiwiqpr

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  8. rangercol

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    I suppose people struggle to differentiate because they don't like a lot of what BLM stand for.
    Black Lives Matter (of course they do) is written on television coverage etc etc.
    I think it may be time to ditch this and return to kick it out and other anti racism initiatives.
    I completely understand why the taking of the knee is symbolic after what happened in the states, but the political aspect is causing problems and allowing the message to be diluted imo.
    I don't think many people are concentrating on the Marxist angle you mention. It certainly hasn't been reported very widely.
    I don't think that taking the knee would ever be an issue if it wasn't for the unsavoury aspects of BLM.
    I do find the black power clenched fist a tad inflammatory, although I recognise that it's origins were born out of dreadful discrimination.
     
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    Does anyone think teams will be allowed to wear a poppy or is that political?
     
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  10. Bwood_Ranger

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    Like they’ve worn it for the last several years?
     
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    Oh yes FIFA backed down didn’t they?
     
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  12. Bwood_Ranger

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    It was less than a month ago. Didn’t notice as many people indignant with rage at James McClean this year.
     
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    That might be down to the fact that he never wears a poppy.
     
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  14. Willhoops

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    Boom, an answer that not one other person challenged, from what I've seen, has even come close to answering, and a fair one, thanks Col. I would say, as I did previously the Marxist angle is all over social media, but not one of them seems to be able to define Marxism and the elements they object to, if they had given reasons rather than remaining silent or throwing out statements that have absolutely nothing to do with Marxism I, and others, wouldn't be so suspicious of other motivations.

    I do find it odd that people flat out refuse to differentiate what the vast majority, including the players and clubs see as the message for BLM which is the anti racism message and the group that have formed under the umbrella of BLM which have controversial political agenda, which is a totally different.
     
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  15. TC (Lovely Geezer)

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    A bit like the swastika, which for 12,000 years was a symbol of peace (still is in the Hindu religion) but is now seen as a symbol of racism and hatred.
     
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  16. Quite Possibly Raving

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    I can see the problem here Wills - "social media."

    I also offer a solution: "don't go on social media". :)
     
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  17. Willhoops

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    So is that like when pretty much any racist EDL type group adopted the St George’s Flag or the Union Jack? And is often on the clothing of people telling anyone they consider might be foreign to **** off home? Or would that be completely different somehow? <whistle>
     
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  18. Willhoops

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    Well sadly social media has huge influence on people,
     
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  19. Quite Possibly Raving

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    I know I know, just joshing. Although I do hate it.
     
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    does booing deserve a lifetime ban

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