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  1. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    I don't know how we all missed this yesterday, but it was the 800th anniversary of the signing on the Magna Carta by King John. As you're aware, it was the original human rights document, given to the World by England.

    What have we got now? The prospect of yet ANOTHER 'Bush' as president of the USA and the next potential leader of the Labour party is a blue ****e. Some ****er obviously left some key points out of the original document <laugh>

    Anyway. Something to be genuinely proud of as a nation <ok>
     
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  2. Tobes

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    Yeah mate, dead proud. We gave the World human rights and then a few hundred years later gave them slavery to balance it out a bit.
     
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  3. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    I don't think it's really fair to knock the people who drew the Magna Carta up and got that nasty twat to sign it because some other nasty ****s created slavery.

    It's a philosophical debate, but there's good and bad in every human; just differing concentrations. The Magna Carta was still a ****ing monumental achievement and shouldn't be knocked - not even by you <whistle>
     
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    organic red Well-Known Member

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    Magna carta eh.........sounds foreign. If he's any good,sign him up. Age may be a problem with FSG's transfer policy
     
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  6. Tobes

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    How was it? As I understood it, it was little more than a peace pact?
     
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  7. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Then I respectfully suggest you read it <ok>
     
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    Give a ****...
     
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    Can't be arsed <ok>
     
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    BBFs Unpopular View Well-Known Member

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    Human rights ROFL. There is no such thing.

    What many perceive as rights are gifts from the state than are utterly dependent on compliance. They can be taken away at will.
     
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  12. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Negative **** <laugh>
     
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    Garlic Klopp Well-Known Member

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    As Tony Hancock once said when pontificating on the rights of the working man

    "Magna Carta, did she die in vain"
     
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    How can the truth be negative? It's just the truth, how we measure it determines it's meaning to us, my realism is your negativity<laugh>

    Liberities is what the Magna Carta is about, aren't the tories about to rip up the human rights act? Nice way to commerate the Magna Carta Cameron well done<ok> I'm sure the new laws to replace said act will be choc full of extra liberities. :D

    The "state" can scream "extremist!", which has a very vague definition conveniently then they can strip you of your "liberities" without one charge and torture you for what they suspect you "may know". Obviously I say this because this is what they have been doing. Legally you have no right to privacy from the state intelligence services either. Liberities are hard earned and if you don't defend them they will wither away.

    Liberities hahaha good one.
     
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    Very cynical view there <whistle>

    We enjoy lots of liberties that certain other countries would love to have like freedom of speech, freedom of movement, right to assemble. There's only 3 'liberties' from the Magna Carta that still remain, freedom of CoE, certain freedoms for City of London and habeas corpus. The Magna Carta was more about limiting the powers of the monarch I thought.
     
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    It meant that the powers that be became accountable just like the rest of us whereas they had previously been above the law.
     
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  17. moreinjuredthanowen

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    99% of "rights" are not granted by magna carta anyway. they are far far more recent.

    magna carta was done much much before CoE btw...
     
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  18. johnsonsbaby

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    Not sure if this is new fanboy mito having a larf

    ''.....that the English Church shall be free, and shall have its rights undiminished, and its liberties unimpaired....'' refers to what we now call CoE but it's the same Church.
     
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    1. Church of England, Date founded 1534
    2. Magna carta written (800 years) 1215
    so when was the original magna carta changed to make the church of england as it stands today enshrined in it.
     
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    The MC was drafted by the then Archbishop of Canterbury(a Roman Catholic)and England was then a " Catholic " nation?

    No wonder all the queen and her family of proddys are celebrating, the English Church ended up with chapel's, churches, Abbey's and cathedrals that belonged to the Catholic's?

    Any church still in existence from the time before the Reformation(and there's 100's)were taken by the crown and used by the COE?

    Ok I've probably got that wrong.<laugh>

    But if I haven't the terms and agreements of the MC were broken so why celebrate.<whistle>
     
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