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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    I've heard of playing the long game, but this takes it to another level! :emoticon-0100-smile
     
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    There isn't a short game though, is there? It's five years of the bumbling drunkard.

    Jess Philips for me, but whoever get's it they mustn't abandon the popular radical policies.
     
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    He’ll be back on his feet in no time;
    all those months of experience,
    someone’ll snap him up.
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    Look after your new working-class voters, Boris. They won’t trust you for ever
     
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    Corbyn Road residents want to change street's name because Labour leader is now linked to 'racism and failure' after stronghold swings blue for first time
    • Corbyn Road in Dudley, West Midlands, gained their first ever Tory MP yesterday
    • Brexiteer Macro Longhi, 52, beat Labour's Melanie Dudley by 11,533 votes
    • Residents now believe house prices could plummet and want name changed
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    People living on a street called Corbyn Road have launched a bid to change its name after the Labour stronghold swung to the Conservatives for the first time in its history.
    The residential road in the heart of the Dudley North constituency now has its first ever Tory MP after Brexiteer Marco Longhi beat Labour's Melanie Dudley by 11,533 votes.
    But now people who live there are worried house prices will drop and the street will be associated with 'racism and failure'.
    And losing Labour candidate Melanie Dudley even blamed her party's leader for the historic loss, saying: '[Jeremy] Corbyn didn't always play well on the doorstep. At all.'
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    'It's time his name was wiped from history and the name of our street. I don't care what they call it but not after any politician because they're all bloody awful.'
    Writing on Facebook, resident Jan Onley said: 'It's time for a petition to ditch the name Corbyn Road for something more united.
    'Mr Corbyn doesn't represent us so why does his name appear on our road sign?
    'Let's lobby the council to change it to something we all agree with. My suggestion is Unity Road but I'd love to hear other ideas.'
    Former Labour stalwart Ian Austin represented Dudley North for 14 years until he dramatically quit in February over Mr Corbyn's leadership and handling of the anti-Semitism scandal engulfing the party.
    Weeks before the election he urged voters to back Boris Johnson.
     
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    Embrace the future. Dozens of Tory MPs on their way down to Westminster from Northern constituances. Most of them local, working class people and many of them under 30.
    Not an old Etonion in sight.
    The Tory party is changing and could well be the party of the working class now.
    You're like the Mirror's editor, Kevin Maguire who just bangs on with the same old arguments while Labour disappears down the plug hole.

    I would consider voting for a centre left Labour leader in the future.
    Could be an awfully long wait.
     
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    "Popular radical policies".

    Hilarious. How popular were they?

    Total denial.
     
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    Some of them were very popular when polled. Too many people can’t vote for Corbyn but his heart was in the right place and people knew that yet still couldn’t vote for him.

    Admittedly they need to put more into directly helping blokes named Terry and need to stop valuing the lives of brown kids far away as equal to those of relatively comfortably off folk here to appeal widely enough.
     
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    This is absolutely spot on.

    They're in total denial.
     
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    You do seem to obsess about the brown child far away
    Do you work for an aid agency by any chance
    The election was about the UK apparently and it's place in the world
    Not about the foreign aid budget
    How much money should the UK give to the Indian space agency
     
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    I’m saying that Labour shouldn’t obsess about it, at least not publicly. Play the game of politics like Cummings does. We’d probably reduce foreign aid to zero if it was put to a referendum so just stay away from the topic if you want to win with people who are struggling to pay the mortgage.

    Give people a slogan of four words or fewer. Tell them they’ll be richer if you win. Don’t put enough numbers in your manifesto for anyone to be able to prove you wrong. Simple really. I could be the younger, better looking, broader, Jewish Cummings if they want to hire me.

    The company I work for is far more destructive and tax-avoiding than any ad agency.
     
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    The game of politics is what it's all about
    Getting elected and spending up to five years sucking on the tax payers teat is all most of them care about
     
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    Unfortunately you can have the best manifesto in the World but if people have to read through pages and pages to find out what you are about then you are onto a loser. Under Johnson we can expect a further personalization of politics in which the messenger is more important than the message. Labour should not be looking just for a leader of their party, but someone who can stand opposite Johnson in the house for the next 5 years - a leader of the opposition, and the Prime Minister in waiting. The trouble was that nobody could actually imagine Corbyn as PM. The next Labour leader should be the most gifted public speaker in the House of Commons - that should be their aim, they should also be able to use humour as a weapon, like Johnson does. They should also be able and willing to talk to the media. Their position on the political spectrum is not so important if they have these qualities. They need to realize that this left vs middle debate is not that at all but rather fundamentalist vs pragmatist (Realpolitik) - idealism without power sucks, and power without idealism is aimless.
     
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    Spot on! X1000
    Remember when I said about the ‘phone ins’ and some on here took the P.... well where are you now! Funnily the 3 most vocal have conveniently done a Glen Miller. :emoticon-0127-lipss
    For all their crappy posts about Corbyn an Labour they were utterly and completely wrong. At least one or two have the balls to return and accept it.
    Anyway....
    If Labour want any chance at 2029 election they need to get in Lisa Nandy or Jess <wah><wah>Phillips<wah>.
    And stop calling everyone who disagrees as racists.
     
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    Yes I agree. Unfortunately choosing the right populist leader is more imortant than what the political party will do these days, especially if he or her is dressed as an English Nationalist. Clearly the Tories dont give a toss about Scotland, Wales or Ireland. Labour need another Blair to lead them not a Long-Bailey, with charisma not not political dogma.

    The mistakes Corbyn made were 1) not stopping Brexit when he could have in Parliament in more than 3 years; 2) not clearly backing Remain and a new Referendum at this election; 3) not forging an agreed anti Brexit, anti Tory pact with the LibDem, Greens and Nationalists before this Election-- if they had, they had the vote in % terms at least, and could of formed a government to secure a soft Brexit or a new Referendum. There was nothing much wrong with Labour's manifesto, but few read it. There was everything wrong wth Tory fake news, dirty tricks and withholding of key reports and interviews that the Opposition should probably have focused on more than they did.
     
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