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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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  2. Get out

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  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Kamala Harris talks out of her nose. I hadn’t noticed before she sounds very nasally and now Mr Biden has forgotten where he is during his speech. 300 million people and this is the best they have? Bring back Ronald Reagan!
     
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    Yeah it’s the nasally politicians you have to be wary of.
     
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    i have never really heard her speak before. nothing against her, just noticed she talks out of her nose. Starmer is a bit nasally as well.
     
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    she cant be a real politician then
    they talk out of their arse
     
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    Extremists finding any excuse to kick off again.
    They'll always find something.
     
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    The other Rangers and Birmingham City to follow Swansea and come off social media for a week, another two clubs who have had players racially abused
     
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    What is behind the violence in Northern Ireland?
    By Michael Hirst
    BBC News NI

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    image captionThe rioting has mostly involved gangs of youths armed with bricks and petrol bombs
    More than 50 police officers have been hurt and 10 people arrested as a result of rioting over the past 10 days, in several towns and cities across Northern Ireland.

    The UK and Irish prime ministers have condemned the violence, and Northern Ireland's government met on Thursday to call for an "immediate and complete end" to the unrest.

    All Northern Ireland's main parties have condemned the rioting, although they are divided over its causes.

    Where has the violence been happening?
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    image captionSince the end of March, there has been unrest on a near-nightly basis, mainly in loyalist areas of a number of towns and cities
    Violence involving gangs of people as young as 12 started on 29 March in an area of Londonderry that is loyalist - in favour of keeping Northern Ireland as part of the United Kingdom.

    Since then, there have been protests and rioting on a near-nightly basis in a number of towns and cities, including Belfast, Carrickfergus, Ballymena and Newtownabbey.

    The rioting has largely seen loyalist youths throwing bricks, fireworks and petrol bombs at lines of police officers and vehicles.


    But on Wednesday night the fighting escalated into sectarian clashes over a so-called peace wall in west Belfast that divides predominantly Protestant loyalist communities from predominantly Catholic nationalist communities who want to see a united Ireland.

    A gate that divides the two was smashed open and, during several hours of disorder police officers and a press photographer were attacked and a bus was hijacked and burned.

    Parts of Northern Ireland are split along sectarian lines, 23 years after a peace deal largely ended Northern Ireland's Troubles - which lasted almost 30 years and cost the lives of more than 3,500 people.

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    Who is behind the unrest?
    While there are no clear indications the unrest is being orchestrated by an organised group, the violence has been concentrated in areas where criminal gangs linked to loyalist paramilitaries have significant influence.

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    image captionThe violence has been concentrated in areas where loyalist paramilitaries have significant influence
    There is increasing evidence that senior figures in organisations such as the Ulster Defence Association and Ulster Volunteer Force are allowing the trouble to proceed.

    Analysts suggest loyalist paramilitaries of the South East Antrim UDA may have exploited an opportunity to kick back at the Police Service of Northern Ireland after a recent clampdown on criminality in the area around Carrickfergus.


    The paramilitary group is involved in many forms of organised crime, doing "untold damage to the community and exerting fear in neighbourhoods", say police.

    Read more: 'A criminal cartel wrapped in a flag'

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    What has this got to do with Brexit?
    Unionist leaders have linked the violence to simmering loyalist tensions over the Irish Sea border imposed as a result of the UK-EU Brexit deal.

    The new trading border is the result of the Northern Ireland Protocol, introduced to avoid the need for a hard border on the island of Ireland.

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    image captionUnionists say the protocol damages trade and threatens Northern Ireland's place in the UK
    The protocol means Northern Ireland remains in the EU single market for goods, so products being moved from Great Britain to Northern Ireland undergo EU import procedures.

    It avoids the need for checks on the Irish border, as EU customs rules are enforced at Northern Ireland's ports instead.


    Unionists say it damages trade and threatens Northern Ireland's place in the UK.

    In January, graffiti opposing the Irish Sea border was daubed on walls in some loyalist areas, including parts of Bangor, Belfast, Glengormley, and the home of one of Northern Ireland's main ports, Larne.

    These Brexit checks were temporarily suspended amid reported threats against port workers in Larne and Belfast - although the police later said there was no evidence of "credible threats".

    In March, a group which includes representatives of loyalist paramilitaries wrote to Boris Johnson to withdraw its support for the Good Friday Agreement, the 1998 deal that effectively ended the Troubles.

    The Loyalist Communities Council said it was temporarily withdrawing its backing because of concerns about the protocol.

    Read more: What is the Northern Ireland Protocol?

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    Are there other political factors involved?
    Some unionist leaders have attributed the violence to the decision not to prosecute leaders of the republican Sinn Féin party for breaching Covid regulations at the funeral of a former IRA intelligence chief last June.

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    image captionSome 2,000 mourners lined the streets for the funeral of former IRA intelligence chief Bobby Storey in June 2020
    Bobby Storey's funeral drew 2,000 mourners - including Deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill - at a time when strict Covid restrictions were still in place, limiting the number of people who could gather in public.

    Many people expressed anger at Ms O'Neill for failing to follow the guidance she insisted the public should follow - guidance which had led to loyalist band parades being cancelled last summer.

    Some have accused police of double standards after the Public Prosecution Service (PPS) said there would be no prosecutions.

    While DUP leader and First Minister Arlene Foster said she did not share that view, she called on PSNI Chief Constable Simon Byrne to resign.

    Mr Byrne said he recognised people were angry, but has refused to step down.

    Calling for the ongoing street disorder to stop on Wednesday night, Mr Byrne said he was "open to dialogue with anyone who is willing to work with me to resolve the issues facing our community".

    Addressing the rioters, he tweeted: "Go home before someone is seriously injured. Violence is not the answer."

    Mr Byrne briefed Stormont's power-sharing executive on the disorder at an emergency meeting on Thursday.
     
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  9. finglasqpr

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    The only reason I am bothering to reply is from a balance point of view.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55879307

    Did Arlene Foster or her DUP buddies call for the Chief Constable of the PSNI to resign then? Did she ****. There were also other large gatherings/funerals on both sides of the divide in N.I. where there were no prosecutions.

    Part of the reason these lads are so upset with the PSNI is, their lucerative terrorist drug dealing business has been disrupted by raids recently. That is one of the main reasons these chaps are rioting against the police.
     
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    Readings Liam Moore has come off Twitter... after getting racist abuse.
     
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    Reading fans are saying that he has been getting abuse for playing crap and it was a good excuse to use the race card.
     
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    He’s shown at least one of the messages.. in which he received racist abuse, anything else is irrelevant in the context of that/those messages being sent.
     
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    Reading fans aren't generally racist. They are a family club. I know the club well and one message doesn't represent the nature of the clubs fans. Moore has been getting stick for his crap play and this is a good excuse. I have been called something unsavoury on Twitter doesn't mean to say I think everyone is a twat. Sadly you get idiots that say crap on Twitter. If people don't want it then don't use it.
     
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    Are you saying it was right for him to come off Twitter completely because one knuckledragger sent him a racist message? Doesn't that play into the hands of knuckledraggers?
     
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    Totally agree Goldie. We are told not all muslims are terrorist after attacks yet if one knuckledragger comes out with a racist comment then we need to bend the knee or pull down statues. The whole country is defined as racist. TBH I am getting bored of it all now. These stupid movements actually cause more racism issues with their ridiculous actions. This country is quite tolerant, yes it has a few problems but nothing like other countries around the World. These groups just jump on this weeks in thing.
     
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    nobody has said reading are a racist club. The issue, the only issue is that racists have a platform to give abuse unchecked, It’s happening week in, week out and nothing is happening to sort it. Moore’s performance is absolutely irrelevant you can criticise someone without being racist.
     
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    No the only way this will change is if the government act or the platforms loose revenue, one way of doing that would be for high profile people/clubs to leave their platforms, not suggesting Moore leaving will accomplish that but the more that do it, the more effect will be seen.
     
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    Bit snowflakish getting bored, dread to think how you’d deal with getting targeted like these people are. Obviously the whole nation is not racist but there clearly is a very vocal element that is, and whilst there’s apathy and people don’t unite to try and resolve the problems, they aren’t going to stop. Surely you think racists should be held account for giving people racist abuse?
     
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    Wills you seem to be on a mission with this. Good luck, change the World and all that, but you will always get a few. The best thing to do is stop shoving it in the faces of normal people and target those who misbehave. As I said some time back, pulling down and defacing statues will not solve the problem but just turn people off the issues. Im sorry that Liam Moore had a nasty post but do you ever complain when Nigle Farage or an innocent Tory MP gets abuse daily?
    No you don't, because that is okay for some. It's called 'double standards' or this weeks 'in thing'. Sorry but I have other things to think about other than some footballer who received a crap tweet.
    Anyway more importantly QPR kick off in an hour.
     
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    Has anyone actually said you need to bend the knee or pull down a statue?
     
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